Mike Vick sentenced to two years in prison

[snepp]

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or trees.

Another Vick thread run its course? 18 months or so until the next one?

[The C]

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Another Vick thread run its course? 18 months or so until the next one?

23 months to be exact.

[Fiddy]

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acutally 20 1/2 months..

[Graphik]

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Meh...I think the sentencing is to harsh for killing dogs. Actually, he funded the entire thing but nobody said he went ahead and put the dogs to rest himself. I know a guy who just got out of jail for an attempted murder but the police didn't have enough evidence to back up the claim so he's a free man right now. Wouldn't it be just a tad bit more sensible if we focused on people like this instead of phantom dog killers?

And dont get me wrong, I love animals. But I also eat animals with no remorse. Just because some hapless, innocent dogs were led to their deaths shouldn't mean the people who funded and organized this ring are killers. Criminals for breaking the law, yes but killers no. There are far more important things we as law abiding citizens should worry about and be afraid of than some fools who slaughter dogs for a living. The romans would snicker at our overwhelming concern for non-human life.

[Skerik]

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The romans would snicker at our overwhelming concern for non-human life.

Kind of like we snicker at, say, the notion of gladiatorial combat?

[wwharton]

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Why? "Utilitarian value" is the most stupid way to judge a living being. Going by "utilitarian value", a bottle of water during a drought is more valuable than a human. $10 to me has more "utilitarian value" to me than anyone on this board, but that doesn't mean I'm going to kidnap Acid and sell him to a human trafficker for $10.

grunt's with you, dawg. I thought it was funny to (in the way it was intended to be).

[Graphik]

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Kind of like we snicker at, say, the notion of gladiatorial combat?

Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this brought back. Call me barbaric but if people dont mind putting their life on the line for my entertainment, I'm all for it. People who do UFC, wrestling and boxing are on the same level. There just isn't any death involved. We go to war now with the notion that many deaths will occur and we just right it off as some type human nature. Truth of the matter is, death is just as apart of life as life is apart of life. We just so happen to glorify death moreso because we dont understand it.

Yes, I'm a nut.

[bkrich83]

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Meh...I think the sentencing is to harsh for killing dogs. Actually, he funded the entire thing but nobody said he went ahead and put the dogs to rest himself. I know a guy who just got out of jail for an attempted murder but the police didn't have enough evidence to back up the claim so he's a free man right now. Wouldn't it be just a tad bit more sensible if we focused on people like this instead of phantom dog killers?

And dont get me wrong, I love animals. But I also eat animals with no remorse. Just because some hapless, innocent dogs were led to their deaths shouldn't mean the people who funded and organized this ring are killers. Criminals for breaking the law, yes but killers no. There are far more important things we as law abiding citizens should worry about and be afraid of than some fools who slaughter dogs for a living. The romans would snicker at our overwhelming concern for non-human life.

In his plea agreement did he not cop to ordering the dogs killed? I don't think he admitted killing them himself, but said it was his decision to kill them.

[Graphik]

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In his plea agreement did he not cop to ordering the dogs killed? I don't think he admitted killing them himself, but said it was his decision to kill them.

Maybe he'd rather put a dog out of his misery than have him suffer and die slowly from war wombs. I still wouldn't compare anything he's done to rapist or serial killers as some have compared Vick to in this thread. He may be scum but to take away a mans livelyhood because of an animal is pretty harsh IMO. All those bastard deers, next to be slaughted cows and chicken should protest.

[Brandon13]

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Maybe he'd rather put a dog out of his misery than have him suffer and die slowly from war wombs. I still wouldn't compare anything he's done to rapist or serial killers as some have compared Vick to in this thread. He may be scum but to take away a mans livelyhood because of an animal is pretty harsh IMO. All those bastard deers, next to be slaughted cows and chicken should protest.

It's not just the dogfighting charges, though. You had all of the gambling related charges too. I agree that 23 months for dogfighting and killing the dogs would have been too much, but not for the entire case they had against him.

[bkrich83]

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Maybe he'd rather put a dog out of his misery than have him suffer and die slowly from war wombs. I still wouldn't compare anything he's done to rapist or serial killers as some have compared Vick to in this thread. He may be scum but to take away a mans livelyhood because of an animal is pretty harsh IMO. All those bastard deers, next to be slaughted cows and chicken should protest.

Sorry but Vick is hardly the victim in this case. He had everything you could ask for, he did something he knows was wrong as was caught. Now he's paying the price for those decisions.

If you don't think torturing and killing animals is wrong, I don't know what to tell you. I am not in the "put him away for life" camp, but I certainly feel this time fits this crime.

He made the choices, no one forced him, now it's up to him to man up and live with the consequences. Nobodies fault but his own.

[dave360]

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Maybe he'd rather put a dog out of his misery than have him suffer and die slowly from war wombs. I still wouldn't compare anything he's done to rapist or serial killers as some have compared Vick to in this thread. He may be scum but to take away a mans livelyhood because of an animal is pretty harsh IMO. All those bastard deers, next to be slaughted cows and chicken should protest.

Or just maybe he shouldn't have put the dogs in the position to where they'd have to die from the war wounds. He also either killed or had the weaker pits killed if they weren't up for fighting. It was said in the testimony that the dogs were electrocuted or drowned. That's not a humane way to put an animal down. The only truly humane way to put a domesticated animal down is with Ketamine to knock them out, then a lethal shot of Sodium Pentobarbital. This way the animal is numbed to the pain of the shot as well as the lethal agent which comes after the Ketamine. As I've said in the thread before and on my blog, I put people who abuse animals right above murderers and rapists, and people who abuse animals for other's enjoyment are even worse. To me the only thing more valuable than a cat or a dog's life is a human being's life.

[Graphik]

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It's not just the dogfighting charges, though. You had all of the gambling related charges too. I agree that 23 months for dogfighting and killing the dogs would have been too much, but not for the entire case they had against him.

Truth of the matter is he didn't kill any dogs. Gambling may be an illegal activity but who doesn't do it? If I were arrested and sent to jail for 23 months over a street dice game, I'd be one highly POed dude. This entire case involved morals and a high celebrity profile, which IMO is the reason why this case was blown out of proportion. Like I said, I know killers who are walking the streets right now. I'd feel much more better if our time was spent trying to put guys like that in jail than a guy who ran a dog fighting ring.

[mgoblue]

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Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing something like this brought back. Call me barbaric but if people dont mind putting their life on the line for my entertainment, I'm all for it. People who do UFC, wrestling and boxing are on the same level. There just isn't any death involved. We go to war now with the notion that many deaths will occur and we just right it off as some type human nature. Truth of the matter is, death is just as apart of life as life is apart of life. We just so happen to glorify death moreso because we dont understand it.

Yes, I'm a nut.

"There just isn't any death involved"...IMO that's a very very big distinction.

[dave360]

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Truth of the matter is he didn't kill any dogs. Gambling may be an illegal activity but who doesn't do it? If I were arrested and sent to jail for 23 months over a street dice game, I'd be one highly POed dude. This entire case involved morals and a high celebrity profile, which IMO is the reason why this case was blown out of proportion. Like I said, I know killers who are walking the streets right now. I'd feel much more better if our time was spent trying to put guys like that in jail than a guy who ran a dog fighting ring.

So by your logic, any mob boss or gang leader shouldn't be put in jail and should be found innocent of ordering killings. Afterall they didn't kill anyone, they just ordered it to happen. Why couldn't John Gotti have had you as a criminal defense attorney and he could have spent the last years of his life free on the street?