Michael Vick Discussion Thread

[mKoz26]

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Kill that noise. In the modern world, we don't have to hunt for animals. No one in developed countries hunts for food. They hunt for sport. If they say they hunt for food, they must not have decent enough income to go the f'k to a shopping mart. Don't come at me with that.

Fair enough. Here's another key difference between hunting and dog fighting:

Hunting: Animal is shot with a bow or gun, animal is killed.
Dog Fighting: Dogs rip each other to shreds until one dies.
(in most cases)

Brutality sets the two apart. There's no arguing with that.

Why you're trying to put dog fighting and hunting on the same level is completely beyond me.

[deaduck]

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Horse leg wouldnt have been broken if he wasnt racing....

Having worked some ranches in my teens...they break their legs alot more than you'd think. Sure the breeding and drugs makes it worse in the microcosm of racing but it isn't exactly rare outside of pony parks and whatnot.

[Jukeman]

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Having worked some ranches in my teens...they break their legs alot more than you'd think. Sure the breeding and drugs makes it worse in the microcosm of racing but it isn't exactly rare outside of pony parks and whatnot.

I know, but we are talking about horse racing and dog fighting which was brought up...not a horse/dog getting put to sleep or whatever because of natural injury...even tho steriods aint natural but thats another topic on animals...

[bkrich83]

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1. No I'm not. That's my point, neither of us was there and you cant believe everything you read. His so called friends/cousins(which are the reason they searched the house any way... allegedly) would have said anything to cut there prison time down(this includes lying). There are plenty of stories where people have been advised to take plea bargains although they were innocent because justice does not always prevail.

2. does having his cousins do most of the killing make what he did more acceptable?
It's all about public perception. Michael Vick is the only name tied to this situation which gives this illusion that he sat in his backyard by himself and killed and totured these dogs. As I mentioned many people are comparing him to serial killers. The Nfl is a full time job Im sure(IMO) that he didnt have enough time to be the major dog killer.

As far as the pentagon thing, how is that relevant?
lol I was kidding but in reality If you look up the records of this event In History(broken down is "His" "story") it will say a 757 hit the pentagon, but obviously looking at video tells a different story. If you believe every court document, wiki page or article you read to be exactly what happened then I feel for u. I'm the type of person that is slow to judge and unless I was there to see it w/ my own eyes then as far as I'm concerned its based on the truth, rather its a movie, article, book, news cast or court document.

For #3, due to my occupation I have seen plenty of data on the Pentagon event. We lost people from my place of employ both there and in the towers. Tread lightly if you are going to try to re-hash the lame conspiracy stuff.

For #1 and 2 it's quite obvious you are trying to lessen the impact of what he did. I Am sorry, he admitted in DETAIL to what he did in federal court under oath. Not to mention the pages and pages and pages of evidence and testimony.

If you want to believe he wasn't as involved or it's all a conspiracy to get him, fine, but don't act condescending to those that are going on pages upon pages of documenation and his own testimony.

[bkrich83]

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Horse leg wouldnt have been broken if he wasnt racing....

Ala the death of PITBULLS who were fighting WHICH THEY WERE oringinally BRED TO DO BTW, ala HORSES NOW....

Im not supporting of defending dog fighting because Im not into that kind of sport....however dogfighting been around for AGES and pitbulls were creating for the sport of dog fighting overseas....Some poeple act the guy was attacking all dogs around the world, but I understand we Americans have a love for dogs....its pretty much nothing but bias IMO....

The best example of our bias is....go ask a random why Vick did time, I bet they answer dog fighting...

So what he did was ok then based on these factors. Because dog fighting has been around for ages that makes it acceptable?

It has nothin to do with bias, it has to do with the fact what he was doing was despicable. Whether it's been around, or how he was brought up, or whether or not there's horse racing or hunting or whatever else you can come up with to deflect, it doesn't make what he did any more acceptable. It doesn't make his actions ok. There simply is no excuse for it. Because other people do things that are questionable does not make what he did ok.

I just don't get the whole deflection line of thought. Or why people blindly defend the guy. I am all for him having a second chance, but lets not forget why he's in the predicament he's in. Let's not forget how this investigation got traction Mike Vick is not the victim here. Mike VIck, someone with soo much to lose put himself in this position and now he's suffering the consequences. Mike Vick has no one to blame but himself...

[Fox1994]

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Fair enough. Here's another key difference between hunting and dog fighting:

Hunting: Animal is shot with a bow or gun, animal is killed.
Dog Fighting: Dogs rip each other to shreds until one dies.
(in most cases)

Brutality sets the two apart. There's no arguing with that.

Why you're trying to put dog fighting and hunting on the same level is completely beyond me.

Still, you're killing an animal... is it worse to beat a man to death than to shoot a man? At least then you're giving the man an opportunity... Usually.

Not that that's a good thing, either. I'm not defending the dogfighting (and I apologize if it came off that way)... I just don't see how people can think of dogfighting as so much worse than hunting or manslaughter.

[Papa Bear/fsulw]

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He paid for his crimes can we please move the hell on! I don't why some fans of the Eagles can't just give him another chance. I LOVE dogs too but damn, can't he get a fresh start please.

[oakfan162]

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He paid for his crimes can we please move the hell on! I don't why some fans of the Eagles can't just give him another chance. I LOVE dogs too but damn, can't he get a fresh start please.

Agreed. These arguments seem to just be going in one big circle. No one is going to change their stance on what they think of Michael Vick's past actions. He has served, what the authorities declared, his time.

I'd like to see Vick do well, not despite of his past actions, but because of them. Think about all the media scrutiny and attention this whole thing has brought dog fighting and animal abuse. I think Vick could become a positive influence on the world. This is his chance.

That said, don't f it up Mike!

[Jukeman]

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So what he did was ok then based on these factors. Because dog fighting has been around for ages that makes it acceptable?

It has nothin to do with bias, it has to do with the fact what he was doing was despicable. Whether it's been around, or how he was brought up, or whether or not there's horse racing or hunting or whatever else you can come up with to deflect, it doesn't make what he did any more acceptable. It doesn't make his actions ok. There simply is no excuse for it. Because other people do things that are questionable does not make what he did ok.

I just don't get the whole deflection line of thought. Or why people blindly defend the guy. I am all for him having a second chance, but lets not forget why he's in the predicament he's in. Let's not forget how this investigation got traction Mike Vick is not the victim here. Mike VIck, someone with soo much to lose put himself in this position and now he's suffering the consequences. Mike Vick has no one to blame but himself...

There isnt anywhere in thread where I said his action was ok....

People defend him for the same reason why people attack him....Why should it matter if we do both? Who are we to judge? So what if his actions was wrong, like you said its all on Vick...Vick doesnt have to prove anything to ME...I dont know him and im not going to join the club and pass judgement neither....Im pointing out facts in world history, I can care less about his police record, it has nothing to do with me....My whole beef is with hyprocrites and people who like to say whats right and whats wrong....Double standard is my beef

[bkrich83]

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There isnt anywhere in thread where I said his action was ok....

People defend him for the same reason why people attack him....Why should it matter if we do both? Who are we to judge? So what if his actions was wrong, like you said its all on Vick...Vick doesnt have to prove anything to ME...I dont know him and im not going to join the club and pass judgement neither....Im pointing out facts in world history, I can care less about his police record, it has nothing to do with me....My whole beef is with hyprocrites and people who like to say whats right and whats wrong....Double standard is my beef

What he did do, was wrong. All the world history you brought up is irrelevant to his situation.

[Jukeman]

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What he did do, was wrong. All the world history you brought up is irrelevant to his situation.

Like I said, I would not dog fight....

If dog fighting was soooo horrible, then why isnt it a harser offense??

Illegal gambling made up most of the 18 months...

Imo, I just cant sit here a throw stones at the guy, when guys who did worst are treated like rock stars and idols....

[bkrich83]

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Like I said, I would not dog fight....

If dog fighting was soooo horrible, then why isnt it a harser offense??

Illegal gambling made up most of the 18 months...

Imo, I just cant sit here a throw stones at the guy, when guys who did worst are treated like rock stars and idols....

Again, you're rationalizing in an effort to defend him. Whether consciously or not. Whether or not the things you said are true or not, doesn't make what he did any less wrong, or acceptable.

I know exactly what he was convicted of and why he was sentenced. And because it was gambling he should thank his stars the NFL let him back in the league, since in the NFL's eyes that's worse than dogfighting.

You can deflect and point out other crimes till the cows come home,it still doesn't make what he did any less despicable.

[Jukeman]

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Again, you're rationalizing in an effort to defend him. Whether consciously or not. Whether or not the things you said are true or not, doesn't make what he did any less wrong, or acceptable.

I know exactly what he was convicted of and why he was sentenced. And because it was gambling he should thank his stars the NFL let him back in the league, since in the NFL's eyes that's worse than dogfighting.

You can deflect and point out other crimes till the cows come home,it still doesn't make what he did any less despicable.

its called being realistic...


I agree, its was foul......Still not going to throw stones or wish bad things upon him.....I got over it the first day I heard about it....

While someone is wasting time make hate mail, something way worst is going on somewhere else...

[bkrich83]

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While someone is wasting time make hate mail, something way worst is going on somewhere else...

Again, what's going on elsewhere is completely irrelevant to his situation. It's that simple.

[Fox1994]

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^lol. That's a good point.