The Peyton Manning Discussion thread

[JBH3]

Houston WILL dethrone the Colts this year. They have one of the best offenses in the league and only need to become a top 15-20 defense to make the playoffs.

Show me. No track record for success. Lots of talent, but gotta put it all together.

[wwharton]

Re: So if Peyton Manning gets injured....

thread's getting off topic, fellas. If it's ran it's course, let it die. The talk about Collins, Houston winning the division, etc. belongs in other threads.

[AutoMG]

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Ok, people saying take Luck and trade Manning when Luck is ready is just stupid. Oh and you think the Patriots will just trade away Brady when Mallett is ready...NO, it is the same situation.

You don't just disrespect some of the greatest players in NFL history like Manning/Brady by just trading them and they are going to retire as a Colt/Patriot. But really it doesn't matter because the Colts aren't going to be a less than .500 team.

[untrugby]

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You don't just disrespect some of the greatest players in NFL history like Manning/Brady by just trading them and they are going to retire as a Colt/Patriot.

Because Joe Montana retired a 49er and Brett Favre retired a packer right? This happens all the time great players and non great players alike.

[bkrich83]

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Andrew Luck is a no-brainer in this scenario.

This. Luck is the most pro ready prospect at that position I have seen since Peyton left Tennessee. If you have a shot at him, and you're the Colts it's a no brainier.

[KSUowls]

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Luck is considered the best QB prospect since Manning. If a team wants to trade up to get him, it'll cost A LOT.

I would vote to take Luck regardless of your QB situation. Always take the best player available.

In 2001 the Chargers traded the #1 overall pick to the Falcons for a #5 overall, 3rd rounder the same year, 2nd the following year, and a slot receiver for the right to draft a guy who was supposed to revolutionize the QB position in Michael Vick. I don't think you could expect anything more than that.

The key word in all of this is "prospect". I just don't think it's realistic at all to think that any team to trade away two separate drafts (ie: two 1sts and two 2nds) to pick up one guy who has never even had an NFL practice.

[mockme]

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The Colts won't win a lot of games without Peyton, that's for sure. He practically IS the team. But I don't think they'll try and get Luck in the draft. Just because I'm pretty sure that there are teams that will do worse than them, and need a QB as well. Taking Luck wouldn't be a bad idea, as he could be the perfect heir to Peyton, but I think they won't have the chance to draft him, unless they trade up. And as Peyton still has some years in him I don't think they're in a hurry to draft a QB, even if it's a prospect as promising as Luck.

[muggins]

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It'll be interesting to see if Luck even ends up #1. Last year at this time it was all JAKE LOCKER DIS JAKE LOCKER DAT and he ended up falling.

[skydog71]

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Here's another hypothetical...

Let's say Vick is injured for the entire season (non-career threatening), and the Eagles somehow end up in a position to draft Luck. Should the Eagles draft Luck? And let him sit behind Vick for 3 years?

[wwharton]

Re: So if Peyton Manning gets injured....

Here's another hypothetical...

Let's say Vick is injured for the entire season (non-career threatening), and the Eagles somehow end up in a position to draft Luck. Should the Eagles draft Luck? And let him sit behind Vick for 3 years?

Considering you're the one that brought this up, we can't go through this hypothetical without talking about how Vince Young did after stepping in for Vick.

[skydog71]

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Considering you're the one that brought this up, we can't go through this hypothetical without talking about how Vince Young did after stepping in for Vick.

Oh man, Eagles were bad example. I know how those VY threads go...

OK, let's say we are talking about the Patriots. In 4 years, Brady will be 37 (Manning will be 38). If given the opportunity, should the Patriots draft Luck and let him sit on the bench for 3 years?

[wwharton]

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Oh man, Eagles were bad example. I know how those VY threads go...

OK, let's say we are talking about the Patriots. In 4 years, Brady will be 37 (Manning will be 38). If given the opportunity, should the Patriots draft Luck and let him sit on the bench for 3 years?

Also probably not the best example bc they actually did draft Mallett and I think they're going to treat him like they did Cassell (and how they would handle your hypothetical situation). Basically, they would draft Luck no question. When the time came, if Brady was still playing at a high level, they'd shop Luck to everyone and their mother in a trade and wouldn't think twice about it.

How about the Packers? I think the Colts work bc they actually could have the worse record without Peyton... don't think that would be true with any of these other teams.

[skydog71]

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Also probably not the best example bc they actually did draft Mallett and I think they're going to treat him like they did Cassell (and how they would handle your hypothetical situation). Basically, they would draft Luck no question. When the time came, if Brady was still playing at a high level, they'd shop Luck to everyone and their mother in a trade and wouldn't think twice about it.

How about the Packers? I think the Colts work bc they actually could have the worse record without Peyton... don't think that would be true with any of these other teams.

Yeah, I guess they could always deal Luck and keep Brady.

I don't know, ever since we ran McNair out of town to make room for VY, I've had a hard time understanding why teams would spend a top 3 pick on a QB so they can ride the bench for several years. I can see maybe picking up a "project" in the later rounds and letting him mature on the bench, but if you are drafting somebody #1 overall, they should be good enough to start their first year. Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan did fairly well in their rookie seasons. And even if they struggle a bit that first year like Peyton or McNabb, there's a reason your team was picking in the top 3, and it's unlikely the play of your rookie QB is going to be the determining factor in whether or not your team wins the Super Bowl or not.

Now things are different if your aging Pro Bowl QB is talking about retirement and an elite QB slips to you at #24 (ie - Aaron Rodgers).

[24]

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Trade the Pick and give Manning A shot. I'd take a couple of 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks over a single first round pick any day of the week. Bill Belichek has been using that strategy for years and its worked out pretty well for him and the Pats. Peyton Manning is the heart and soul of the franchise and I Believe that one more Title locks him in As the Greatest QB to ever play the game. Thats the only thing he is missing from his Career, Multiple Titles

[wwharton]

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Yeah, I guess they could always deal Luck and keep Brady.

I don't know, ever since we ran McNair out of town to make room for VY, I've had a hard time understanding why teams would spend a top 3 pick on a QB so they can ride the bench for several years. I can see maybe picking up a "project" in the later rounds and letting him mature on the bench, but if you are drafting somebody #1 overall, they should be good enough to start their first year. Sam Bradford and Matt Ryan did fairly well in their rookie seasons. And even if they struggle a bit that first year like Peyton or McNabb, there's a reason your team was picking in the top 3, and it's unlikely the play of your rookie QB is going to be the determining factor in whether or not your team wins the Super Bowl or not.

Now things are different if your aging Pro Bowl QB is talking about retirement and an elite QB slips to you at #24 (ie - Aaron Rodgers).

I actually disagree with this... pretty strongly. Best case scenario in most situations is for QBs not to start right away. Ryan (and Flacco... and Sanchez) had a TEAM around them that had a whole lot to do with their early success. Bradford, like Peyton was in a situation where they just told him to air it out no matter what. I'd much rather have seasoning for the rookies. For the few you just named (and I'll throw Freeman and Stafford on that list to for ya) I'll give you Brady, McNabb, Rodgers, Schaub, Rivers, Romo, Hasselbeck, and technically Eli and Big Ben also. Today's society is in too much of a rush to see results. These kids need to adjust to the game.

BTW, McNair's situation was much deeper than just making room for VY. I'm sure they would've rather had him around to mentor Young (and God knows he needed it). But with that said, McNair didn't have much left. For as much as he did on the Ravens, he gets too much credit. His stats were pretty bad both years. He made some big plays in the 4th qtr of games (that were usually close bc he didn't do much before then) but had a horrible playoff game in his first year and was bad or injured most of his second year. It may have just been time for him, but he's a competitor so he's not going to see that.