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[redsox4evur]

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Yea, sounds like your defending the whole thing. Lets just sit back and watch at this point.

I still think after all the dust settles. Brady will be missing 4 games.

Could anyone imagine if they suspend Brady for the Super Bowl?



Wasn't there a thread before the Super Bowl?

I think Brady has done it since he entered the league 15 years ago. Also I think Belichick knew about the whole thing and skating because Kraft didn't challenge any of the team penalties. I'm just stating the facts. Look at other cases that have gone to court. Ray Rice went to court and was the video brought up in court? No it wasn't. The issue in court was that Rice was initially given 2 games for the incident. And then for the same exact offense he was suspended indefinitely and he won for that. And if Greg Hardy goes to court the stuff about allegedly paying off the victim isn't going to be the key piece of evidence against him.

Also there was never a true thread for this topic. We discussed it in the SB thread and then this thread.

[Speedy]

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Wasn't Kraft one of Goodell's biggest supporters?

Many are calling for Goodell to be gone - I wonder if the suspension is overturned in court that it will be the last straw.

[redsox4evur]

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Wasn't Kraft one of Goodell's biggest supporters?

Many are calling for Goodell to be gone - I wonder if the suspension is overturned in court that it will be the last straw.

Yea Kraft is one of Goodell's biggest supporters. During the Ray Rice issue he went on a national news station and said he stands behind the decision Goodell made. And I don't think this is the straw. Revenues are at an all-time high. So I think he is safe until revenues or sponsors start pulling out because of the concussion or domestic violence issues.

[mestevo]

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Wasn't Kraft one of Goodell's biggest supporters?

Many are calling for Goodell to be gone - I wonder if the suspension is overturned in court that it will be the last straw.

Punching bag/fall guy is almost literally in Goodell's job description. He's there to take the hit for owners.

[ImTellinTim]

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If I were an owner, I'd never kick Goodell out. Everyone likes to bitch and moan about him, yet they're still watching in record numbers.

[jWILL253]

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31 other owners aren't gonna can Goodell just because Kraft is throwing a hissy fit.

Also, it's pretty funny how some Patriots fans/Brady supporters are bringing up defenses that Brady wasn't even smart enough to use during the hearings.

Brady never said "I'm not giving you the phone because you have no right to my private property." He said "I destroyed the phone the day before you asked for it, and I always destroy old phones... even though I didn't destroy my very last phone prior to this new phone."

It's on record. He can't use the "my private property" defense in court because it would be inconsistent to what's already on record. He'd effectively be backtracking.

[mestevo]

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Brady made a point of that too, he unnecessarily made his testimony during his appeal under oath if I remember that correctly.

[wwharton]

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I think Brady has done it since he entered the league 15 years ago. Also I think Belichick knew about the whole thing and skating because Kraft didn't challenge any of the team penalties. I'm just stating the facts. Look at other cases that have gone to court. Ray Rice went to court and was the video brought up in court? No it wasn't. The issue in court was that Rice was initially given 2 games for the incident. And then for the same exact offense he was suspended indefinitely and he won for that. And if Greg Hardy goes to court the stuff about allegedly paying off the victim isn't going to be the key piece of evidence against him.

Also there was never a true thread for this topic. We discussed it in the SB thread and then this thread.

Apples and oranges here. With Rice, they tacked on punishment when nothing else in the situation changed. They also said he wasn't truthful which didn't hold up because Ozzie Newsome wouldn't get in line to help smear Rice for the sake of the Shield.

Hardy's incident happened before the new standards for cases like his, so the argument there was that his punishment should be in line with the previous system.

But the most important part of both of these cases is that they cooperated. That's the MOST important thing here. Even if the commissioner's office wants to be nice about it, if you intentionally don't provide them with the evidence they feel they need, then they rule based on what they have and make educated guesses about the rest. That's if they want to be nice, which I see no reason for them to here when Brady has actively thumbed his nose up at them and the entire ordeal since day one.

They can't say they went against the CBA bc the CBA says Goodell has the authority to do exactly what he did. Now Kraft is using the argument that when someone goes to arbitration they usually get their punishment reduced... as if that means it HAS to happen. Good luck getting that to hold up. Meanwhile the sense of entitlement oozing out of everyone involved besides Belicheck is sickening.

Wasn't Kraft one of Goodell's biggest supporters?

Many are calling for Goodell to be gone - I wonder if the suspension is overturned in court that it will be the last straw.

Kraft is only one owner. Don't believe the BS that was retracted about the Ravens and Colts owners trying to strong arm Goodell, but also don't believe for a minute that the rest of the league is standing behind Kraft on this.

[redsox4evur]

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Apples and oranges here. With Rice, they tacked on punishment when nothing else in the situation changed. They also said he wasn't truthful which didn't hold up because Ozzie Newsome wouldn't get in line to help smear Rice for the sake of the Shield.

Hardy's incident happened before the new standards for cases like his, so the argument there was that his punishment should be in line with the previous system.

But the most important part of both of these cases is that they cooperated. That's the MOST important thing here. Even if the commissioner's office wants to be nice about it, if you intentionally don't provide them with the evidence they feel they need, then they rule based on what they have and make educated guesses about the rest. That's if they want to be nice, which I see no reason for them to here when Brady has actively thumbed his nose up at them and the entire ordeal since day one.

They can't say they went against the CBA bc the CBA says Goodell has the authority to do exactly what he did. Now Kraft is using the argument that when someone goes to arbitration they usually get their punishment reduced... as if that means it HAS to happen. Good luck getting that to hold up. Meanwhile the sense of entitlement oozing out of everyone involved besides Belicheck is sickening.

Yea I understand that they are apples and oranges. I used the Rice case because he actually went to court and I was just saying that in court there was no focus on the tape and it was how Rodger handled the case and the appeal afterwards.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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If I were an owner, I'd never kick Goodell out. Everyone likes to bitch and moan about him, yet they're still watching in record numbers.

Meh. The NFL's profitability is a snowball rolling downhill. That's not where Goodell's value lies.

[SPTO]

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Regarding Kraft, he was basically Goodell's man but enough crap has hit the fan in this regard that other powerful owners are actively supporting Goodell all the way on this. Kraft is just one guy and him throwing a hissy fit isn't going to change things unless he can get a majority of owners on his side which I don't foresee.

If Kraft hates Goodell as much as he seemingly does now than he'd do well to sell the Pats.

[jack1535]

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The thing I've thought about most lately is how if the Bills beat the Patriots without Brady it won't feel as satisfying and if they finally make the playoffs people are gonna try to argue that they only made it because Tom Brady was suspended.

Otherwise the only thing I read about this is the tweets that show up on my feed and ESPN notifications I get.

[kehlis]

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Yea I understand that they are apples and oranges. I used the Rice case because he actually went to court and I was just saying that in court there was no focus on the tape and it was how Rodger handled the case and the appeal afterwards.

Not sure what you mean by "went to court" but neither Rice or Hardy ally with the PA ever sued the NFL nor did they go to court.

[redsox4evur]

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Not sure what you mean by "went to court" but neither Rice or Hardy ally with the PA ever sued the NFL nor did they go to court.

I thought Rice had went to court over the indefinite suspension. And I said if Hardy goes to court.

[wwharton]

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Yea I understand that they are apples and oranges. I used the Rice case because he actually went to court and I was just saying that in court there was no focus on the tape and it was how Rodger handled the case and the appeal afterwards.

Kehlis beat me to it. This suing the NFL thing is unique to this case.

I don't really know what you're trying to say even if they were the same platform though. This punishment simply for deflating balls would be laughable. The problem is the lack of cooperation and, basically, that's Brady going against the CBA. Things not focusing on the actual events is more in favor of the NFL here. Who needs the balls? You have Brady on record saying he destroyed potential evidence, and even his reasoning doesn't add up. You have Kraft saying he expected an under the table handshake by accepting his penalty, Brady should've gotten a break. You have Brady saying no one in the Pats organization did anything wrong but the two lower level workers involved have already been fired. You have the NFLPA agreeing to give Goodell the power to rule over appeals. I'd say it'd be in the NFL's best interest to not bring up the deflated balls at all.