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**jWILL253** · 10-16-2015, 04:38 PM

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Redskins looking REAL smart with that Kirk Cousins starting decision.

**wwharton** · 10-16-2015, 04:44 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

Oh I'm talking about the talent on the team. They'd be leading that division but it'd be more so an indictment on the rest of the division since it's looking like how the NFC South did last year.

It's looking like the team that ****s up the least will win that division this year.

Well that was factored into my comment. But I also said Palmer bc offensively, the Skins really aren't worse than Arizona outside of the QB position. Defensively is a huge different story, but on paper they really did go out and get a lot of guys to put around RG3.

**pw_1016** · 10-16-2015, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by N51_rob

I would say that Reed can't be counted on for more than 6 games a year leaving a huge hole at TE. Cousins was looking at him a lot. But if you can't be in the roster you can't be counted on.

What happened to Niles Paul? thought he was supposed to be decent .

**N51_rob** · 10-16-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by pw_1016

What happened to Niles Paul? thought he was supposed to be decent .

Season ending injury week 1 of pre-season.

**p_rushing** · 10-16-2015, 07:01 PM

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Originally posted by wwharton

So what about the other seven players on their personal team? Just like regular fantasy (year long) leagues, it'd be impossible for a ref or player to even blatantly alter results to make this kind of difference. Unless we expect it to be a ref of a MNF game that happens to have players involved in their personal match ups... even still, that's an individual thing, not something that could purposely sway a large number of people.

It creates potential and the NFL can't afford that doubt. A couple of refs could get together and win all the games. It's also harder to prove, it's not throwing a game, but affecting the players who score. Even players could let other players score when the game wasn't in doubt.

Once it becomes gambling, then everyone in the NFL and other sports are forbidden from playing.

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**ProfessaPackMan** · 10-16-2015, 07:09 PM

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Damn Johnny

Browns quarterback Johnny Manziel has shown tremendous maturity and growth this year, but he apparently is still struggling with the medical condition that arose from a series of personal choices regarding the use of alcohol.

According to newsnet5.com, Manziel was pulled over during an argument with his girlfriend, and he admitted to drinking.

The incident happened on Monday, when a witness called police after Manziel used the shoulder to pass the witness’ car at a high rate of speed. The witness said that Manziel and his girlfriend, Colleen Crowley, were arguing. Crowley, according to the witness, was trying to exit the car.

Police later stopped Manziel, and he and Crowley admitted to drinking earlier in the day. Police determined that the couple was not intoxicated.

According to the report, Crowley said Manziel had pushed her head into a window. Police reportedly noticed an abrasion on Crowley’s arm, but they later determined that the abrasion was from Manziel’s attempt to keep her from getting out of the vehicle while it was on the road.

Crowley did not want to press charges. Whether that’s enough to avoid an investigation and/or discipline from the league is a different issue. The Personal Conduct Policy as revised in 2014 disregards the decisions made by the criminal justice system, with the league conducting its own inquiry. The league’s new sensitivity to domestic violence likely means that an investigation will occur, given the allegation that Manziel pushed Crowley’s head into a window.

Apart from any potential discipline from the league is the apparent relapse with alcohol. Earlier this year, Manziel spent 10 weeks in rehab.

**SPTO** · 10-16-2015, 07:12 PM

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It really looks like Manziel may be flushing away his opportunity at being a star QB. I really hope he can get his head on straight since it seems that his alcoholism fueled a lot of the stupid stuff he did in college as well.

**wwharton** · 10-16-2015, 07:29 PM

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Originally posted by p_rushing

It creates potential and the NFL can't afford that doubt. A couple of refs could get together and win all the games. It's also harder to prove, it's not throwing a game, but affecting the players who score. Even players could let other players score when the game wasn't in doubt.

Once it becomes gambling, then everyone in the NFL and other sports are forbidden from playing.

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I can't see how it's much different than year long fantasy sports, and no chance that goes away. You can stop players from participating in either if you want... all employees if you want, but it's not going away.

I don't know if you play fantasy football or tried any of these daily leagues or not. What you're describing (a couple of refs getting together to fix games) would be A LOT harder to do than you may think... I'm not even sure it's possible without some serious luck involved with how games are lined up and then events of a game. This really is A LOT different than just determining the outcome of a single game.

**N51_rob** · 10-16-2015, 07:51 PM

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Originally posted by jWILL253

Redskins looking REAL smart with that Kirk Cousins starting decision.

IDK, Kirk has been average to above average at best, this team has no vertical passing attack. Some of that can be attributed to the loss of Jackson, but there have been numerous WRs running wide open in space 15-25 yards down field and Kirk has missed them more than he has connected. He's probably the best of a dreadful QB situation I suppose.

**TheShizNo1** · 10-16-2015, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by SPTO

It really looks like Manziel may be flushing away his opportunity at being a star QB. I really hope he can get his head on straight since it seems that his alcoholism fueled a lot of the stupid stuff he did in college as well.

C'mon man. They were arguing. His chic even said it was just that. And they said he wasn't drunk or anything.

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**N51_rob** · 10-16-2015, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by TheShizNo1

C'mon man. They were arguing. His chic even said it was just that. And they said he wasn't drunk or anything.

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I tend to agree. We've all been in the car looked at the car next to us and seen two people going at it. That said, when your in the spot light (or Johnny Football) everything gets blown up. Comes with the territory just keep cashing checks and go about your business.

55 · 10-16-2015, 08:39 PM

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That girlfriend of Manziel's is a pretty notorious trainwreck around these parts.

**SPTO** · 10-16-2015, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by TheShizNo1

C'mon man. They were arguing. His chic even said it was just that. And they said he wasn't drunk or anything.

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Well I never said he was drunk but the implication seems to be that he and the lady may have been buzzed. If you've been in rehab for alcoholism you shouldn't even be going near the stuff anyways.

**TheShizNo1** · 10-16-2015, 08:48 PM

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Originally posted by SPTO

Well I never said he was drunk but the implication seems to be that he and the lady may have been buzzed. If you've been in rehab for alcoholism you shouldn't even be going near the stuff anyways.

Just the notion that this was yet another issue when in reality its just a regular people issue, but I hear you. I could be completely wrong, but I think he was more like in there for PR and perception more than having an actual problem.

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**p_rushing** · 10-16-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by wwharton

I can't see how it's much different than year long fantasy sports, and no chance that goes away. You can stop players from participating in either if you want... all employees if you want, but it's not going away.

I don't know if you play fantasy football or tried any of these daily leagues or not. What you're describing (a couple of refs getting together to fix games) would be A LOT harder to do than you may think... I'm not even sure it's possible without some serious luck involved with how games are lined up and then events of a game. This really is A LOT different than just determining the outcome of a single game.

It's not about fixing games, but about helping to determine who scores. With players having cost values, you end up with different players on teams, and knowing who will be given help, will go a long way.

In a full season it would be impossible to control it for fantasy. In this, the refs are working a game each week and you select a lineup each week, so its easy to do it. They may not always win, but it would help a lot. Which makes it even harder to prove or notice anything suspect. It would be similar to point shaving, but not as hard as you don't care about points.

Example- Ref working Pats vs Colts game and everyone has Brady. Call PI to take away yards, help them get into situations where they run for TDs instead of passing. Everyone who has Brady probably loses and you pick another QB. Its not giving you a win, but it is helping a lot.

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