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[ImTellinTim]

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Interesting article about Peyton Manning's poor sportsmanship after SB 44. Never heard about this...

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-...ints-handshake

Someone found two articles by the same guy. This year's was slamming Cam for being a big baby and sore loser and how it was bad. He also wrote about Manning storming off not shaking Drew's hand after that game and how it was good because it showed he cared. Oops.

[redsox4evur]

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Someone found two articles by the same guy. This year's was slamming Cam for being a big baby and sore loser and how it was bad. He also wrote about Manning storming off not shaking Drew's hand after that game and how it was good because it showed he cared. Oops.

Wow...I saw the memes of this on Facebook. But that guy writing an article 6 years later calling Cam a clown is hilarious.

[ImTellinTim]

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I will be clear on this, though. Peyton certainly did not come out the next day back then and double down. He played the media game and made sure to mention that he had called Brees and apologized to everyone. Cam doesn't play that game.

[steelerfan]

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The difference, despite what people will say is the difference, is that Cam stiffed the media and Manning did not. In the Manning case, the media was not the "victim" so they didn't feel the need to slam Manning.

That's the sad truth though. If you don't cooperate with the media, you can't expect that they'll have good things to say.

[mestevo]

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If you stiff the media you give up the ability to control any narratives.

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[wwharton]

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I will be clear on this, though. Peyton certainly did not come out the next day back then and double down. He played the media game and made sure to mention that he had called Brees and apologized to everyone. Cam doesn't play that game.

You used the right phrase... "the game"

I don't get why so many people WANT any of these athletes to play the game. It doesn't benefit us in the least.

Really don't understand what the problem is. People can either get behind Cam and say "he was upset after a tough loss in the biggest game of his life" or hate on Cam and say "he deserves the pain he's feeling after celebrating so much."

Either way, I don't see why either side cares about a press conference.

[slickdtc]

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I will be clear on this, though. Peyton certainly did not come out the next day back then and double down. He played the media game and made sure to mention that he had called Brees and apologized to everyone. Cam doesn't play that game.

I thought Newton sticking to his guns was a good thing. He was going to hear from his detractors for whatever asinine reason even if he won the SB. That's one thing I've learned of late on a grand scale. I could give someone a million dollars, and people would find a way to have a problem with it.

The only thing I have an issue with is his not diving on that football. That's just an instinct as a football player. Injury could've happened, and you deal with it. If you're so worried about them, you wouldn't be playing football in the first place.

But being a sore loser isn't unique to Newton or any other great players in the league. Anybody whose followed Newton knew he would act like that, especially after losing 1 of the previous 18 games. People acted all shocked for some reason.

Questioning his character or leadership because of his body language (really!? Body language!?) or attitude is what irked me. That's just junk. He's won big games including a national championship in college, his friggin' body language didn't affect that. Suddenly now he can't be considered a great or a championship caliber QB. Whatever.

Stories for stories sake. Garbage.

[Jr.]

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Questioning his character or leadership because of his body language (really!? Body language!?) or attitude is what irked me. That's just junk. He's won big games including a national championship in college, his friggin' body language didn't affect that.

To be fair, research says we communicate about 55% through body language. It's easy to fake your words.. much tougher to fake body language.

[wwharton]

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I thought Newton sticking to his guns was a good thing. He was going to hear from his detractors for whatever asinine reason even if he won the SB. That's one thing I've learned of late on a grand scale. I could give someone a million dollars, and people would find a way to have a problem with it.

The only thing I have an issue with is his not diving on that football. That's just an instinct as a football player. Injury could've happened, and you deal with it. If you're so worried about them, you wouldn't be playing football in the first place.

But being a sore loser isn't unique to Newton or any other great players in the league. Anybody whose followed Newton knew he would act like that, especially after losing 1 of the previous 18 games. People acted all shocked for some reason.

Questioning his character or leadership because of his body language (really!? Body language!?) or attitude is what irked me. That's just junk. He's won big games including a national championship in college, his friggin' body language didn't affect that. Suddenly now he can't be considered a great or a championship caliber QB. Whatever.

Stories for stories sake. Garbage.

I personally don't think he was saying he didn't dive because he was worried about getting injured. He described his leg being contorted or whatever, but (looking at the play) I took that as a description of what happened rather than an explanation of why he choose to not dive. I think instinct on going with how the body bends and doesn't stopped him from diving in that moment.

Of course, I'm just reading into it all like everyone else but when I see the replay I don't even see how he can do a Peyton Manning "sack avoiding fall" to dive on that ball.

[wwharton]

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To be fair, research says we communicate about 55% through body language. It's easy to fake your words.. much tougher to fake body language.

His words matched his body language. I think the point is neither should be a reason to question his leadership or championship ability bc neither his words or body language should've been surprising or have effected him much to this point in his career (all the way up to playing in a SB after playing an MVP worthy regular season).

[Jr.]

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His words matched his body language. I think the point is neither should be a reason to question his leadership or championship ability bc neither his words or body language should've been surprising or have effected him much to this point in his career (all the way up to playing in a SB after playing an MVP worthy regular season).

I thought he was talking about Cam's body language during the game. In the 2nd half, he looked defeated.

[slickdtc]

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His words matched his body language. I think the point is neither should be a reason to question his leadership or championship ability bc neither his words or body language should've been surprising or have effected him much to this point in his career (all the way up to playing in a SB after playing an MVP worthy regular season).

Bingo. His body language was dejected. That's how the game went, so that's not surprising.

Does being irrationally optimistic make a difference? Beats me. Worked for Tebow. LOL

[slickdtc]

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He said in his press conference the next day that there's no right or wrong way to go about it. I thought he did a good job of saying this is me, take it or leave it. People are going to chirp no matter what.

Eventually he'll get his and the detractors will still be there. Their mind is made up. He could win a SB every year from here on out and they would still criticize. So screw 'em.

What he's done so far has worked. Keep doing it.

I've always respected honesty and transparency. He didn't backpedal. The only thing is the fumble, which is way more egregious than a defeated attitude IMO. It actually quantifiably affects the game. But football players sometimes do inexplicable things. Boneheaded play. That's it, nothing more, nothing less.

[ggsimmonds]

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I personally don't think he was saying he didn't dive because he was worried about getting injured. He described his leg being contorted or whatever, but (looking at the play) I took that as a description of what happened rather than an explanation of why he choose to not dive. I think instinct on going with how the body bends and doesn't stopped him from diving in that moment.

Of course, I'm just reading into it all like everyone else but when I see the replay I don't even see how he can do a Peyton Manning "sack avoiding fall" to dive on that ball.

No, he said he did not dive because of the position his leg was in. Diving on the ball in that position would have required him to contort his leg in a manner that could lead to injury. So it was both a description of what happened, and the reason he did not dive.

While I don't care too much about it, I hope that is not true. What I would rather to hear is that his instinct told him to retreat.

At the end of the day I don't think anything changes. If you disliked Cam prior you will see both the fumble and the press conference as validation of your opinions. If you are a fan of his you will probably agree with the explanations. If you are neutral like me you probably think either are big deals.

[steelerfan]

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If someone already posted this, my apologies. I couldn't find it anywhere.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly