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  • ProfessaPackMan
    Bamma
    • Mar 2008
    • 63852

    #20566
    Re: NFL Off Topic

    From PFT.com..
    It was widely believed that the Hall of Fame voters passed over receiver Terrell Owens ostensibly because of his reputation for divisiveness, even if the truth is that they were merely respecting a de facto waiting line that called for Marvin Harrison making it before Owens. On Thursday, one of the Hall of Fame voters admitted that the reason for T.O.’s omission was his inability to work and play well with others.

    “I’ll take you inside the room on this, and it was the second longest discussion we had in the room other that Eddie DeBartolo,” Gary Myers of the New York Daily News told The Dan Patrick Show. “The bottom line on T.O. is he was so disruptive. Now with L.T., you don’t count the off-the-field stuff. That’s a mandate from the Hall of Fame. It’s only what you’ve done on the field. The argument that was made in the room, and I agree with this, is what T.O. did in the locker room is part of –”

    “That counts?” asked guest host Ross Tucker. “Why don’t you just evaluate what’s inside the white lines?”

    “Because I think that the locker room is an extension of that,” Myers said.

    “But how do you really know what happened in the locker room?” Tucker said.

    “But he tore teams apart.”

    “But how do you really know that?”

    “He’s a Hall of Fame player that five teams couldn’t wait to get rid of,” Myers said. “So what does that tell you about how disruptive he was?”

    Myers then said he believes that Owens will make it in eventually, despite being viewed as a “cancer” by multiple teams.

    The biggest problem with this logic is that, if it keeps Owens out once, it should keep him out forever. And Myers admits that it won’t. Instead, it provides the justification for ignoring the possibility that Owens objectively was a better player than Harrison and putting Harrison in before Owens.

    The rhetoric used to defend the waiting-line approach separately becomes problematic because it’s overstated. The notion that “five teams couldn’t wait to get rid of” Owens simply isn’t true. In San Francisco, he became a free agent and elected to leave. In Philadelphia, the Eagles decided to cut him only after Owens decided he was going to force his way out because the Eagles wouldn’t renegotiate his contract following a stellar 2004 season.

    Besides, not all voters agree with Myers. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, it’s inaccurate to conclude that the entire room accepted the idea that Owens’ on-field achievements should be ignored because of the fact that Owens played for multiple teams and/or had a reputation for being a pain in the butt.

    That’s not to say Owens wasn’t actually a pain in the butt. He may have been. But enough voters apparently felt strongly enough that Owens shouldn’t get in on his first try, and that Harrison (whose own candidacy possibly was delayed once or twice by troubling evidence regarding multiple Philadelphia shootings that never resulted in an arrest or prosecution) deserved to get in now.

    And so a sense of order has been preserved, with Harrison getting a bronze bust and a gold jacket now and Owens getting one later. Even if the stated justification for not putting Owens in immediately creates the perception that he should never get in, and unnecessarily (and excessively) characterizes him as a habitually bad teammate.

    Why not just say only five modern candidates can get in each year, and with two of the best receivers in NFL history up at the same time, we decided to give the spot to the guy who had been waiting the longest? It’s far closer to the truth, and it can be stated without requiring voters to take shots at a guy who, regardless of his real, embellished, and/or imagined behavior, merits at least some degree of respect for what he accomplished on the field.
    #RespectTheCulture

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    • LowerWolf
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2006
      • 12261

      #20567
      Re: NFL Off Topic

      I wish more writers would research their "facts."

      The notion that “five teams couldn’t wait to get rid of” Owens simply isn’t true. In San Francisco, he became a free agent and elected to leave.
      His agent forgot to file the paperwork for his free agency. He was traded to the Eagles (after nearly being traded to the Ravens).

      Either way, T.O. should have gone in this year.

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      • ImTellinTim
        YNWA
        • Sep 2006
        • 33028

        #20568
        Re: NFL Off Topic

        If you think the NFL HOF voting process is petty, you should check out the NHL - it's even worse.

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        • mestevo
          Gooney Goo Goo
          • Apr 2010
          • 19556

          #20569
          Re: NFL Off Topic

          Vontaze Burfict's 3-game suspension for his hit on Antonio Brown was upheld by appeals officer Derrick Brooks.

          also:

          @DanGrazianoESPN
          Burfict met Thursday with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, at Burfict's request, to discuss his behavior and what to do going forward.

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          • ImTellinTim
            YNWA
            • Sep 2006
            • 33028

            #20570
            Re: NFL Off Topic

            That should be a short meeting:

            "Vontaze, stop being an *******. Have a good day."

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            • ggsimmonds
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2009
              • 11235

              #20571
              Re: NFL Off Topic

              Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan
              From PFT.com..

              He’s a Hall of Fame player that five teams couldn’t wait to get rid of"
              Only he is not because you guys didn't vote him in...

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              • wco81
                Banned
                • Jul 2002
                • 3305

                #20572
                Re: NFL Off Topic

                Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                If you think the NFL HOF voting process is petty, you should check out the NHL - it's even worse.
                That's why the HoF is irrelevant. No transparency, just the opinions of sports writers on what should be important.

                Kind of like how some players get into the Pro Bowl who are undeserving -- usually going by previous seasons.

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                • 55
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 20857

                  #20573
                  Re: NFL Off Topic

                  That NFL sure has a pretty awesome appeals officer, I must say.

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                  • fatleg3
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 3602

                    #20574
                    Re: NFL Off Topic

                    Originally posted by 55
                    That NFL sure has a pretty awesome appeals officer, I must say.
                    Agreed....

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #20575
                      Re: NFL Off Topic

                      Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                      If you think the NFL HOF voting process is petty, you should check out the NHL - it's even worse.
                      Admittedly, the NHL has worked to make their HOF more credible over the last couple years but yeah, looks like the NFL writers were being super petty with the T.O. vote.
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                      "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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                      • N51_rob
                        Faceuary!
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 14805

                        #20576
                        Re: NFL Off Topic

                        So next week, I will be at a lunch with one of our OEM partners and the highlight is getting to spend 2 hours with Gary Clark. I've been smiling since my AE sent me the invite. Have to go pull out an old picture of him at RFK I used to take should the opportunity for an autograph present it self.
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                        • Jr.
                          Playgirl Coverboy
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 19171

                          #20577
                          Re: NFL Off Topic

                          Former WR Josh Morgan had a bad day yesterday.

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                          • slickdtc
                            Grayscale
                            • Aug 2004
                            • 17125

                            #20578
                            Re: NFL Off Topic

                            He was supposed to be good with the 49ers. Definitely made him a star on Madden 10 in a random Niners franchise I had.
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                            • redsox4evur
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Jul 2013
                              • 18169

                              #20579
                              Re: NFL Off Topic

                              So the apocalypse is coming some time soon as HARVARD has more Combine invitees than Texas.
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                              • Kodii Rockets
                                I smell sulfur...
                                • Sep 2007
                                • 2670

                                #20580
                                Re: NFL Off Topic

                                Interesting article about Peyton Manning's poor sportsmanship after SB 44. Never heard about this...

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