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[slickdtc]

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Sounds like Freeman is a perfect candidate for the change of scenery mentality. Someone will give him a shot at QB. It is kinda surprising how quickly he fell and how quickly TB is willing to replace him.

Perhaps Glennon falters and the reigns are given back to Freeman to reprove himself? Maybe that's the kick in the *** he needs. Then again, Josh Johnson was there for a few years and despite Freeman's inconsistent play, I didn't see Johnson get much PT.

I think TB just really wants to see what Glennon has. Personally, I think it all blows up in their face. Rushing Glennon along and ushering Freeman out so quickly doesn't sit right with me. I know not every team can sit around and wait for their QB to "get it," but sometimes that's what needs to be done.

[SPTO]

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Sounds like Freeman is a perfect candidate for the change of scenery mentality. Someone will give him a shot at QB. It is kinda surprising how quickly he fell and how quickly TB is willing to replace him.

Perhaps Glennon falters and the reigns are given back to Freeman to reprove himself? Maybe that's the kick in the *** he needs. Then again, Josh Johnson was there for a few years and despite Freeman's inconsistent play, I didn't see Johnson get much PT.

I think TB just really wants to see what Glennon has. Personally, I think it all blows up in their face. Rushing Glennon along and ushering Freeman out so quickly doesn't sit right with me. I know not every team can sit around and wait for their QB to "get it," but sometimes that's what needs to be done.

I agree with this, it's not like Freeman is trash. The guy has shown flashes of brilliance. I mean, I remember in his rookie year people were talking about how poised he was. He can't have suddenly lost it overnight seemingly out of nowhere right?

If Freeman leaves I have a sneaking suspicion he'll flourish elsewhere while the Bucs are still looking for that "franchise QB".

[Chip Douglass]

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Except I wouldn't call Freeman an adequate NFL starter. Hell even if he was you pretty much know what you're getting with him, an inconsistent player with wild swings of play. Everyone craps on Mark Sanchez yet Freeman should be given more rope, when Sanchez has accomplished more in his career than Freeman has. Teams aren't going to be as patient with young QBs anymore, if you don't show something immediately teams are more than willing to move on to the next man up.

Freeman's NY/A+ in his career is 100, which is the league-average for starting QBs. Throw in his mobility, and yeah, I'd say he's adequate.

The only thing Sanchez has on Freeman is his ability to play on better teams. Freeman is a statistically much better QB.

You don't know what Glennon can do in the NFL. A lot of things go into college stats - supporting cast, coaching,etc. So pointing to college results as reason for not giving Glennon a shot seems short sighted. If Tampa knew that Freeman wasn't the guy then why keep him in as starter? Yeah Schiano looks kinda bad in this but that doesn't change that Freeman hasn't been performing this season.

Good question, but it's not a move that increases your chances of winning games. It increases the Jets' chances of getting a much better 3rd round pick via Tampa Bay and it makes Bridgewater to Tampa Bay more likely.

Great news for the long-term; not so great news for Schiano who presumably has no incentive to see the new coaching staff in Tampa Bay succeed with Bridgewater.

Per Chase Stuart, here are some comparables for Mike Glennon. Note: they're not good.

http://www.footballperspective.com/finding-comparables-for-mike-glennon/

Bottom line: it's a little early to bail on the starting QB after Week 3 unless you really wanted to go 3-13 and get a top 3 pick. Had the Bucs made this move in Week 9 or 10, then it's not an issue.

[TheShizNo1]

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So did Eli Manning and Colin Kaepernick. QBs go through rough stretches.

Freeman is also something like 2nd or 3rd in the NFL in downfield attempts. His completion % will naturally suffer.

Yes, compare him to a QB that has two rings and the other coming off of a SB appearance.

Those attempts have nothing to do with him not checking down. He used to do it all the time w/ Caddy. He has regressed in skills he showed. No number you throw out can dispute see that on the field.

As mentioned, you have no idea what Glennon can do. I also doubt this is a move to save Schiano, but more a move of Schiano just being tired of the guy that he didn't draft. That's not new at all to a new coach. The Glazer's and GM were in a meeting about this move, it was supported by the uppers.

Freeman's NY/A+ in his career is 100, which is the league-average for starting QBs. Throw in his mobility, and yeah, I'd say he's adequate.

Good question, but it's not a move that increases your chances of winning games. It increases the Jets' chances of getting a much better 3rd round pick via Tampa Bay and it makes Bridgewater to Tampa Bay more likely.

Great news for the long-term; not so great news for Schiano who presumably has no incentive to see the new coaching staff in Tampa Bay succeed with Bridgewater.

Per Chase Stuart, here are some comparables for Mike Glennon. Note: they're not good.

http://www.footballperspective.com/finding-comparables-for-mike-glennon/

Bottom line: it's a little early to bail on the starting QB after Week 3 unless you really wanted to go 3-13 and get a top 3 pick. Had the Bucs made this move in Week 9 or 10, then it's not an issue.

Why do you always throw out these stats? How many Buccaneer games have you watched. Statistically with how little they're on TV, I highly doubt you've seen many.

Stop with the Bridgewater stuff please. We're not going wholesale Browns over here. And I can also go show you rave reviews of Glennon who some thought was a potential first round pick.


No idea why every other position can be unseated for subpar play except the QB position. Dude has not been good the last 7 or so games. Time to see what else you have. Because right now, we're 0-3. You are what your record says you are.



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[Bmore Irish]

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Except the Browns won with their change at QB (however unlikely) and also are clearly in rebuild mode with a new front office. Glennon just seems like an alternate, less mobile version of Freeman to me.

That's not to say that he can't have success, but I would agree with the thought that this seems like a desperate move, and prematurely desperate at that.

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[TracerBullet]

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Reports that Minnesota is interested in Freeman.

[TheShizNo1]

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Hell yea. I'd love to see Freeman flourish somewhere. Especially if we get a pick in return.

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[N51_rob]

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Reports that Minnesota is interested in Freeman.

Man, I wonder what they would give up for Cousins.

[TheShizNo1]

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I don't think Freeman gets traded because of his contract, though.

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[N51_rob]

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Isn't this his walk year?

Edit: it is, but his number is 8.43 YIKES!
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay.../josh-freeman/

[rangerrick012]

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Funny now to read these comments from Bruce Allen (Skins GM) calling the NFC East the "SEC of the NFL".

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...sec-of-the-nfl

[Bmore Irish]

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Funny now to read these comments from Bruce Allen (Skins GM) calling the NFC East the "SEC of the NFL".

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...sec-of-the-nfl

Lol. SEC of the NFL. Yea, let's compare professional football to college Bruce, that seems to be getting more and more accurate these days.

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[N51_rob]

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Funny now to read these comments from Bruce Allen (Skins GM) calling the NFC East the "SEC of the NFL".

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...sec-of-the-nfl

Clearly you guys misunderstood him. He simply ment that the division is basically college, and that would struggle to beat NFL teams.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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Except the Browns won with their change at QB (however unlikely) and also are clearly in rebuild mode with a new front office. Glennon just seems like an alternate, less mobile version of Freeman to me.

That's not to say that he can't have success, but I would agree with the thought that this seems like a desperate move, and prematurely desperate at that.

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He's basically freeman, but less accurate, 1000 times less athletic, and a slightly stronger arm. Hence why I'm hoping we go QB in the first round still.

[RJTurneR]

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The difference between Josh Freeman under Raheem Morris and under Greg Schiano is like night and day.

Freeman was highly rated 2-3 years ago, all of a sudden you bring in a new coach and that talent vanishes? In my opinion, Schiano is a medicore coach who will be gone in the next year or two. Not using the best player in the league for what he does best? Reminds me of when the Eagles asked Nnamdi to try and play zone.. Look what happend.

For a start, treating grown men like college kids isn't going to help you. In general, I don't see Schiano having any long term future in the NFL, never have done.