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[SPTO]

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Manning is "mentally weak"

Well i've heard everything in regards to this argument.

BTW I agree, taking a prime Brady over all those other guys is pretty fair. IMO he's the spiritual successor to Joe Montana, a guy who doesn't have all the physical tools but has a razor sharp mind for football and a coolness under pressure that few other QBs have ever exhibited. Brady's probably a bit more fiery than Montana ever was but they both have that intangible will to win as their careers are approaching the twilight. Brady at this point has a longer twilight than Montana who was a beaten up old man by the end of his KC run.

That doesn't make Manning any less great though, the guy has the greatest mind for the game as far as the QB position goes that i've ever seen. Sure, he has his moments where things go haywire on him and he doesn't perform up to his level but more often than not he's going to give you everything he's got. He isn't one dimensional in his attack and he's a guy who if he wants, would make an AWESOME QB coach/Offensive coordinator. Manning has his faults and we can rightfully say that he doesn't perform as well in the cold but to completely dismiss every big game he's played and say "oh he sucks" is a bit disrespectful. In some of those big games he lost he played quite well. A great example would be the AFC Championship against the Steelers in the 2005 season.

In the end, I think we're splitting hairs with this inane argument.

[Chip Douglass]

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I've tried to be respectful in this debate, but the guy's argument has almost descended into a parody of all of the anti-Manning arguments from over the years.

If you're going to convince people that Manning is overrated, you're going to have to do a whole lot better than say that he's "mentally weak."

[ubernoob]

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Packer's fans shouldn't take it as a slight to Rodgers…guy lives on his own planet these days. For me, however, he needs to do it another 10 years to be on the Manning/Brady plane. Rodgers became the starter in 2008 so this is his 6th season as a starter…or 2003 for Manning or 2006 for Brady.

Oh, I was talking about the Brees/Rodgers thing jeremy said.

Rodgers is the best QB in the league to me today, hands down - but his career comes nothing close to Brady or Manning at this point. Nor should it, really.

[ImTellinTim]

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Since the emergence of Rodgers, I've always said I'd take him over any QB in the league because he can put up the numbers the other top guys do and make all the throws they can. But he is far better than the other top guys at extending the play. He can make better throws on the run than them and can tuck it and run better than them.

[redsrule]

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I don't think you can say anything about Brady being better than Manning this year, especially because of one game.

Oh, I was talking about the Brees/Rodgers thing jeremy said.

Rodgers is the best QB in the league to me today, hands down - but his career comes nothing close to Brady or Manning at this point. Nor should it, really.

Agreed

[BleacherBum2310]

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Prime Years. I'd probably go:
Manning
Rodgers
Brady
Brees

Manning "Mentally weak". Yeah, sorry don't get that at all. I guess you are buying that narrative.

This has been good reading though.

[Sportsforever]

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I've posted this before, but check this out:
Career Postseason stats:
QB A, 62% CMP, 42 TD, 22 INT, 87 RAT, 6.5 Y/A
QB B, 63% CMP, 32 TD, 21 INT, 88 RAT, 7.5 Y/A

Hard to really tell them apart to be honest…

QB A is Brady while QB B is Manning. Furthermore, since 2005 they are both .500 in the playoffs. Is Brady 'less clutch' now or less 'mentally tough'?

[SPTO]

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BTW my prime years ranking:

Brady
Manning
Rodgers
Brees

Rodgers has a chance to jump over Manning in the next couple years though.

[kehlis]

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I've posted this before, but check this out:
Career Postseason stats:
QB A, 62% CMP, 42 TD, 22 INT, 87 RAT, 6.5 Y/A
QB B, 63% CMP, 32 TD, 21 INT, 88 RAT, 7.5 Y/A

Hard to really tell them apart to be honest…

QB A is Brady while QB B is Manning. Furthermore, since 2005 they are both .500 in the playoffs. Is Brady 'less clutch' now or less 'mentally tough'?

Well, it's clear that when the Broncos or Colts lost, Manning crumbled.

When the Patriots lost, Brady played great but the rest of the team crumbled.

[areobee401]

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Stat me all you want. **** bring in Chip Douglas with is Texas Instruments scientific calculator to break out a bunch of stats that mean nothing to me (or anyone for that matter). MY eyes have told me everything I need to know about this debate. Am I a homer for putting Brady #1? Yeah, probably. But I wouldn't want anyone but him with the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.

I honestly don't know why me calling out Peyton Manning has so many people upset.

[Sportsforever]

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Stat me all you want. **** bring in Chip Douglas with is Texas Instruments scientific calculator to break out a bunch of stats that mean nothing to me (or anyone for that matter). MY eyes have told me everything I need to know about this debate. Am I a homer for putting Brady #1? Yeah, probably. But I wouldn't want anyone but him with the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.

I honestly don't know why me calling out Peyton Manning has so many people upset.

To be fair, no one is 'upset'. I would prefer, however, if you are going to make statements that you would back them up. I mean, I can come on here and say Tim Tebow is the greatest QB ever because he wins…doesn't make me right. When you say "that's the way it is because I see it that way" it doesn't make for very good discussion/debate.

[55]

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Stat me all you want. **** bring in Chip Douglas with is Texas Instruments scientific calculator to break out a bunch of stats that mean nothing to me (or anyone for that matter). MY eyes have told me everything I need to know about this debate.

Yeah, screw logic. Let's base everything on faith!

Logic trumps faith in EVERY aspect in life, my friend.

Calling Manning "mentally weak" is highly illogical.

And this is coming from a guy (me) who likes Brady better than Manning.

[TheMatrix31]

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I honestly don't know why me calling out Peyton Manning has so many people upset.

Because this is Operation Sports, and we pride ourselves on being a level higher in terms of sports discussion. Saying things like Manning is mentally weak is better served as fodder on the ESPN boards.

You're free to eye test all you want. Hell, I do eye tests way more than stats. MY eye test tells me that Manning isn't mentally weak at all, and that saying so is absurd to the highest levels of absurd.

[Bellsprout]

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That second part intrigued me, so I did a bit of minor sleuthing/stat collecting because I'm bored.

In 17 regular season dome games since becoming a starter (not counting the Detroit game he got knocked out early) he has this stat line.

394/574 for 5,203 yards 44TD 6INT. 59 Rushes for 307 yards and 3TD on the ground.
23.2/33.8 (68.6% completion rate) 306.1 yards, 2.6TD 0.4INT. 3.5 Rushes for 18.1 yards (0.2TDs)

The last one is his average for those games. In the playoffs his stats are 55/75, 670 yards, 6TD 0INT. 4 rushes for 11 yards and 1 TD.

I know it doesn't get thought of much because we're Green Bay... but every Packers fan normally is (or should be, at the very least) licking their chops when Rodgers gets to play in a dome. I know in Wisconsin it was a running narrative for a few years about how good Rodgers is in a dome.

He did put up possibly the best quarterbacked game I've ever seen in a dome in the Playoffs against Atlanta.

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31/36 366 yards 3 TD.

In Atlanta. In the Divisional round. Against the #1 seed in the conference.

And the mobility that's featured so heavily in that highlight package is why I'll take him over anybody else.

[kehlis]

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I wouldn't want anyone but him with the ball in his hands when the game is on the line.

I don't think anyone would make an argument against this to me honest.

I honestly don't know why me calling out Peyton Manning has so many people upset.

Probably because you're only argument is Manning is "mentally weak" and there is nothing to back that up.


I'm not a fan of this quarterback vs. that quarterback as it's largely irrelevant.

But to "call out" Manning, who is undeniably one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen with nothing but saying that you're eye's tell you and he is mentally weak is going to get a reaction.

You are the one that started this discussion, I don't know if you thought many would agree with you or not but there is absolutely nothing to prove the argument your making.


I would never make an argument with you saying you would take Brady over Manning, or really any other quarterback over Manning (that we've all discussed), but the reasons you've given have been pretty ludicrous portrayals of Manning.

Weak arm? Sure. Immobile? Sure.

Mentally weak? Not a chance.