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[Sportsforever]

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If I had to pick one QB to win one game for me, then if it's a cold weather game I'm going with Rodgers and if it's in a Dome I'm taking Brees (slightly over Rodgers).

Brady and Manning would be my 3rd and 4th picks, but it's a toss up between them. Over the past over 7-8 years Brady has not been the same Golden Boy that he was when he first entered the league. And Manning isn't the same QB that was known as a choke artist during his first couple of years. I think Manning gets a bad rap because of his first couple of years, but since Brady's last Super Bowl pretty much all Manning's playoff losses have been close games. Brady's normally are too for the most part, he's had two terrible playoff ending games in '09 and '12. In the same time-span Manning hasn't had games where he has played as badly as those two games. Like I said taking one over the other in 2013 is a straight PUSH. Both are solid playoff QB's, but neither are Joe Montana.

When all of these comparisons are made we need to remember that Brady/Manning are well past their primes. Aaron Rodgers was still in high school when Manning was playing in the NFL (Manning had already set a then NFL record for TD's in as season before Rodgers was even in the NFL). I'm amazed that Brady/Manning are still playing at such a high level to this day, but let's not make judgements about their careers based on their level of play now (even though it is very high).

I'd take Manning/Brady in their primes over Rodgers/Brees every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[areobee401]

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Right now and in their primes.

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning

[Sportsforever]

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Right now and in their primes.

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning

Honest question: who's playing a higher level this year, Manning or Brady?

[areobee401]

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Honest question: who's playing a higher level this year, Manning or Brady?

Manning. But he's mentally weak. A robot. Give me one me of the other three mention above him any day of the week if I need a QB to lead my team to a win on the big stage.

[Sportsforever]

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Manning. But he's mentally weak. A robot. Give me one me of the other three mention above him any day of the week if I need a QB to lead my team to a win on the big stage.

Okay, all your opinion and you're entitled to it. I can't find 'mental strength' on Manning or Brady's football reference page though so realize everything you are basing your opinion on is subjective.

[kehlis]

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Manning. But he's mentally weak. A robot. Give me one me of the other three mention above him any day of the week if I need a QB to lead my team to a win on the big stage.

Mentally weak?

That's the absolute last thing I would say about him.

His intelligence is one of the only reasons he is still exceeding at the level he is. His physical ability has waned greatly, he outsmarts defenses to a degree that's just crazy.

[Sportsforever]

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Mentally weak?

That's the absolute last thing I would say about him.

His intelligence is one of the only reasons he is still exceeding at the level he is. His physical ability has waned greatly, he outsmarts defenses to a degree that's just crazy.

For a person to have the injury he had, rehab and come back, play every week knowing he's one hit away from being done, I'd say he's pretty mentally tough. It's a laughable notion. I'm not huge on such things, but if we want to look at how mentally tough he is:

Game Winning Drives - Manning 49, Brady 37
4th Quarter comebacks - Manning 38, Brady 26

I'm not trying to denigrate Brady at all…I think he's one of the best EVER. The idea, however, that Manning is overrated or should be rated behind Brees/Rodgers at this point, particularly because he's mentally weak, is laughable IMO.

[areobee401]

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Okay, all your opinion and you're entitled to it. I can't find 'mental strength' on Manning or Brady's football reference page though so realize everything you are basing your opinion on is subjective.

Subjective? Nope. Look at them stats. Doesn't prove a single thing.

Mentally weak?

That's the absolute last thing I would say about him.

His intelligence is one of the only reasons he is still exceeding at the level he is. His physical ability has waned greatly, he outsmarts defenses to a degree that's just crazy.

That would be football IQ. Sure he can out think a defense because his football IQ is through the roof, but he still crumbles under pressure. Mentally weak.

[Chip Douglass]

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Right now and in their primes.

Brady
Brees
Rodgers
Manning

No one would fault you for taking a prime Brady over any of those guys; Brady was pretty awesome in his prime, but there is seriously not a single argument to be made for Brady playing better, right now, than any of those guys.

This year, Brady has been closer to Colin Kaepernick than he has been to Brees and Rodgers. As other have pointed out, the funny thing about Brady v. Manning is that the argument is probably as irrelevant as it's ever been because of Brady's mediocre QBing this year and the emergence of QBs like Brees and Rodgers.

[Sportsforever]

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Subjective? Nope. Look at them stats. Doesn't prove a single thing.

Stats? What stats are you looking at? If you have stats that show Manning is mentally weak, please present them.

[wwharton]

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Subjective? Nope. Look at them stats. Doesn't prove a single thing.



That would be football IQ. Sure he can out think a defense because his football IQ is through the roof, but he still crumbles under pressure. Mentally weak.

What stats are you saying to look at?

What examples can you give of what you call "mentally weak"?

And while presenting, remember that football is a team game so if you say something like "look at [insert game here] playoff loss" don't overlook whether or not the game was lost bc of a kicker missing an average fg attempt or a defense allowing an 80 yard drive in less than 2 minutes... or an OT loss before the rules were changed and the other team scored on the first drive. If you're going to evaluate him, be fair and eliminate at least SOME of the variables that are completely out of the QB's control.

Otherwise I could say Flacco is better than Brady since he's outplayed him 2 years in a row in the playoffs, no?

[Sportsforever]

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What stats are you saying to look at?

What examples can you give of what you call "mentally weak"?

And while presenting, remember that football is a team game so if you say something like "look at [insert game here] playoff loss" don't overlook whether or not the game was lost bc of a kicker missing an average fg attempt or a defense allowing an 80 yard drive in less than 2 minutes... or an OT loss before the rules were changed and the other team scored on the first drive. If you're going to evaluate him, be fair and eliminate at least SOME of the variables that are completely out of the QB's control.

Otherwise I could say Flacco is better than Brady since he's outplayed him 2 years in a row in the playoffs, no?

Last year is a perfect example of the Manning phenomena. Manning plays a heck of a game and put his team is a position to win the game…his defense blows the game. Brady didn't even have his team in a position to win as they get dominated by the Ravens. The narrative, however, is that Manning can't win when it counts and Brady gets a free pass.

[ubernoob]

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If I had to pick one QB to win one game for me, then if it's a cold weather game I'm going with Rodgers and if it's in a Dome I'm taking Brees (slightly over Rodgers).

That second part intrigued me, so I did a bit of minor sleuthing/stat collecting because I'm bored.

In 17 regular season dome games since becoming a starter (not counting the Detroit game he got knocked out early) he has this stat line.

394/574 for 5,203 yards 44TD 6INT. 59 Rushes for 307 yards and 3TD on the ground.
23.2/33.8 (68.6% completion rate) 306.1 yards, 2.6TD 0.4INT. 3.5 Rushes for 18.1 yards (0.2TDs)

The last one is his average for those games. In the playoffs his stats are 55/75, 670 yards, 6TD 0INT. 4 rushes for 11 yards and 1 TD.

I know it doesn't get thought of much because we're Green Bay... but every Packers fan normally is (or should be, at the very least) licking their chops when Rodgers gets to play in a dome. I know in Wisconsin it was a running narrative for a few years about how good Rodgers is in a dome.

[TheMatrix31]

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But Manning threw an interception in the Broncos/Ravens game, so clearly he's mentally weak.

[Sportsforever]

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That second part intrigued me, so I did a bit of minor sleuthing/stat collecting because I'm bored.

In 17 regular season dome games since becoming a starter (not counting the Detroit game he got knocked out early) he has this stat line.

394/574 for 5,203 yards 44TD 6INT. 59 Rushes for 307 yards and 3TD on the ground.
23.2/33.8 (68.6% completion rate) 306.1 yards, 2.6TD 0.4INT. 3.5 Rushes for 18.1 yards (0.2TDs)

The last one is his average for those games. In the playoffs his stats are 55/75, 670 yards, 6TD 0INT. 4 rushes for 11 yards and 1 TD.

I know it doesn't get thought of much because we're Green Bay... but every Packers fan normally is (or should be, at the very least) licking their chops when Rodgers gets to play in a dome. I know in Wisconsin it was a running narrative for a few years about how good Rodgers is in a dome.

Packer's fans shouldn't take it as a slight to Rodgers…guy lives on his own planet these days. For me, however, he needs to do it another 10 years to be on the Manning/Brady plane. Rodgers became the starter in 2008 so this is his 6th season as a starter…or 2003 for Manning or 2006 for Brady.