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[l3ulvl]

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I wonder how the league will spin the rules to make what the refs did the correct all. They will bend over backwards to protect the refs as we've seen all year long. They'll probably fine Shannahan somehow as well.

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[kingkilla56]

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Chris/Al basically said what the NFL is going to say. The NFL is going to say that since the Redskins didn't have a timeout, they couldn't stop the clock because it would like be an extra timeout(despite that the booth should have reviewed it.) Complete garbage officiating this year makes you wonder if games are rigged at the end sometimes so that NFL/Vegas gets more money.

I don't now about it being rigged but the refs make some bogus decisions sometimes. Seems like its especially atrocious this year putting teams in tough situations that they don't deserve to be in, in some cases costing teams a chance to win. I'm not even sure how the league could punish refs without damaging it's own reputation/integrity though.

[Hooe]

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If the sticks say first down, you think it's first down.

Oof.

While the NFL ultimately did make the correct call with respect to down and distance, the manner in which they reached that call put the Redskins at a tremendous disadvantage in the particular game situation.

I still maintain football is never won or lost on one play (except for the Fail Mary game), but this procedural matter was handled in an egregiously wrong matter and that did put Washington at an obvious disadvantage in the closing moments of tonight's game.

[l3ulvl]

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Somehow this will be Griffin's fault

[N51_rob]

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Oof.

While the NFL ultimately did make the correct call with respect to down and distance, the manner in which they reached that call put the Redskins at a tremendous disadvantage in the particular game situation.

I still maintain football is never won or lost on one play (except for the Fail Mary game), but this procedural matter was handled in an egregiously wrong matter and that did put Washington at an obvious disadvantage in the closing moments of tonight's game.

Game's are not won and lost on one play. But that wasn't one play it ended up being three plays that could've changed the outcome. On 3rd and 1, Washington doesn't throw the ball to Davis in the seam (probably), The next play, was going to be called as 2nd and 10, now called as 4th & 1. So they went from running a 1st down play, preparing to call a 2nd down play, to having to scramble for a 4th down play.

Its not just this incident, but it is wildly unfair that Refs, umpires, judges have the power to influence games, jobs, and betting line, yet never have to answer to the media post game like coaches and players do. Just a little more public scrutiny would go a long way IMO.

I'm not even bitter Washington lost. Kyle ensured that when he didn't give Alfred Morris a carry after the 8:38 mark of the 3rd quarter. Just so tired of watching these guys do what they do and never have to explain it, yet Mike Shanahan and Robert Griffin have to stand there and answer questions about an error someone else made.

[Maelstrom-XIII]

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I think that the spot debacle or whatever you'd want to call it didn't really matter.

The 'Skins got a first down on 4th, but the Giants defender took the ball away. It's not like the Redskins were completely unable to get another play off because the refs ran the clock down and didn't spot the ball or something.

Furthermore, if Fred Davis actually hangs on to a ball, it would've been 1st down anyway. Refs put the whole game into a quagmire, sure, but the refs are not why the Redskins lost that game.

[N51_rob]

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I think that the spot debacle or whatever you'd want to call it didn't really matter.

The 'Skins got a first down on 4th, but the Giants defender took the ball away. It's not like the Redskins were completely unable to get another play off because the refs ran the clock down and didn't spot the ball or something.

Furthermore, if Fred Davis actually hangs on to a ball, it would've been 1st down anyway. Refs put the whole game into a quagmire, sure, but the refs are not why the Redskins lost that game.

Simple question. Do you call the same play on 2nd and 10 as you do on 4th and 1?

[TheMatrix31]

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Games can definitely be won or lost on one play. I'm not sure why the sentiment that it can't exists. Yeah sure, there are other things that happen in a game but sometimes, one play, one call, one non-call, and one injury matter quite a bit more. And it's okay to admit that because it happens very, very often.

Yeah it'd be nice if teams won by 50 and didn't have to worry about one thing turning the tide or determining things but that's not reality. For some reason we like to act like sports are some utopian world where each game is perfection and that team "shouldn't have let it come down to that" and that results don't sometimes come down to one specific thing and yada yada yada.

They do.

[Steven78]

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100% Matrix. I absolutely hate that mentality along with "dont put yourself in position to let refs screw you over."

[TheShizNo1]

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But it is true. Do your job every play and you're not put in a position in which one play kills often. How many passes did Griffin miss? How many tackles did the defense miss? How many holes did the RBs miss. To say the game came down to one play is to say your team executed everything perfectly the rest of the game. There are plays that change momentum and lead to the game being loss or getting out of control, but to say a game comes down to one play is reaching imo.

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[wwharton]

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Either way it was completely irrelevant to the play. Anyone who thinks that Cortez Allen wasn't going to catch him either way is kidding themselves.

This is irrelevant too. Tomlin broke a rule to an extreme level. Last week someone on the Jets was nailed for being on the white line... Tomlin was on the field! The fact the ref ran behind him without making a call is a joke.

The only thing that makes this not as big of a deal is the Ravens won the game. But that's complete disregard of a rule that could've effected a play that determined the game. His comments of "every coach does it" makes it worse. I really wouldn't be surprised if the NFL brings the hammer down on him.

[SteelersFreak]

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This is irrelevant too. Tomlin broke a rule to an extreme level. Last week someone on the Jets was nailed for being on the white line... Tomlin was on the field! The fact the ref ran behind him without making a call is a joke.

The only thing that makes this not as big of a deal is the Ravens won the game. But that's complete disregard of a rule that could've effected a play that determined the game. His comments of "every coach does it" makes it worse. I really wouldn't be surprised if the NFL brings the hammer down on him.

You're right, I'm just tired of hearing people overblow the impact Tomlin had on the play. Some people seem to legitimately think that his action directly led to Allen tackling Jones, as if Jones had to make some kind of huge correction. The reality is, Tomlin's actions probably cost the Ravens 5 yards at the most. Tomlin's actions are still inexcusable, but people acting like it seriously affected the outcome of the game are kidding themselves.

[wwharton]

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You're right, I'm just tired of hearing people overblow the impact Tomlin had on the play. Some people seem to legitimately think that his action directly led to Allen tackling Jones, as if Jones had to make some kind of huge correction. The reality is, Tomlin's actions probably cost the Ravens 5 yards at the most. Tomlin's actions are still inexcusable, but people acting like it seriously affected the outcome of the game are kidding themselves.

Jacoby slowed his stride, there's no denying that... you can see it in the video. Whether or not that was the difference of him being caught or not, you never know. Allen may have made a grab or dive that he shook out of. He may have tackled him anyway as you're saying. It doesn't really matter though. Tomlin could have influenced the play, whether he did or not. As a head coach, that's ridiculous... intentional or not.

[ImTellinTim]

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Jacoby slowed his stride, there's no denying that... you can see it in the video. Whether or not that was the difference of him being caught or not, you never know. Allen may have made a grab or dive that he shook out of. He may have tackled him anyway as you're saying. It doesn't really matter though. Tomlin could have influenced the play, whether he did or not. As a head coach, that's ridiculous... intentional or not.

Yep, and that's the whole point. We don't know how much he affected the play, but he did, and he should be punished for it. Draft pick? No way. A hefty fine should suffice. The referees who did not penalize the Steelers 15 yards should also have marks against them.

[wwharton]

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Yep, and that's the whole point. We don't know how much he affected the play, but he did, and he should be punished for it. Draft pick? No way. A hefty fine should suffice. The referees who did not penalize the Steelers 15 yards should also have marks against them.

One thing I will say, I'm actually HAPPY it played out like it did. The rule says they could've given him a 15 yard penalty OR could've given Jones the td. If Jones had gotten a td on that play this discussion would be so much worse, and I would have to understand SteelersFreak being pissed.