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[mestevo]

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I'd like to thank the NFL for effectively ruining any chance of Gordon making a difference NEXT year too.

That was a bull**** appeal process the NFL ran on Gordon and to suspend him for a calender year is next level bull****.

The calendar year suspension is part of the CBA, I didn't realize the other year-long suspensions were the same and had never heard them referred to them that way until Gordon's... but can see in articles now referring to others like that (Blackmon). Agree about the issues w/ appeal, but challenging the terms of the substance abuse policy and the CBA run the risk of this kind of thing. The appeals officer was probably trying to find some common ground or room for compromise or something. Either way an appeal was going to eat into when his suspension was effective.

In the end this all isn't the result of one incident, this is his mess.

It's comical to me that he is "very disappointed that the NFL and its hearing officer didn’’t exercise better discretion and judgment" - Gordon's discretion and judgement created this situation through multiple failed tests. Whether this was an accident via cough syrup, or 2nd hand smoke, whatever... he's burnt up any slack he had. If he can keep his nose clean and in football shape we'll probably see him for the 3rd or 4th preseason game next year. Perhaps circumstances will allow for him to be reinstated earlier next offseason.

[Yeah...THAT Guy]

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I'd like to thank the NFL for effectively ruining any chance of Gordon making a difference NEXT year too.

That was a bull**** appeal process the NFL ran on Gordon and to suspend him for a calender year is next level bull****.

Supposedly it was Gordon that was stalling the process by refusing to settle for a shorter term suspension.

It sounds like the NFL was giving him a chance to play this year and he simply didn't take it because he's an idiot, which he proved in his "apology" where he "apologized" for the NFL being stupid. Might have cost himself a chance of being reinstated before training camp with that crap.

[wwharton]

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I'm more curious why suspending him for a calendar year is "next level bull****"... especially considering that's what everyone assumed he was getting before it was announced, and it was announced so long ago. He's done nothing to give any reason for that to be reduced besides wishful thinking. It actually would've been bull**** if it was reduced but we (that includes me) want to see the stars on the field so no one would've cared if it was.

[OSUFan_88]

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I'm more curious why suspending him for a calendar year is "next level bull****"... especially considering that's what everyone assumed he was getting before it was announced, and it was announced so long ago. He's done nothing to give any reason for that to be reduced besides wishful thinking. It actually would've been bull**** if it was reduced but we (that includes me) want to see the stars on the field so no one would've cared if it was.

Because it is from 8/27/2014-8/27/2015.

It's basically another complaint that the entire appeal process took 9 *** **** months to uphold a collectively bargained punishment that Gordon had "no chance" of winning.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Like I said earlier, I have an issue with how long this whole process took this long in the first place because it's not like they didn't have all the information they needed to make a decision.

The good news for the Browns and Josh Gordon is that hearing officer Harold Henderson ultimately didn’t apply the substance-abuse policy as written regarding the duration of Gordon’s suspension. The bad news is that Gordon will still miss the full season.
But Gordon may be reinstated before August 27, 2015, which would mean that the supposedly mandatory one-year suspension contained in the policy won’t be enforced in this case.
While it does nothing to help Gordon or the Browns in 2014, it means that he could be back with the team in time to better prepare for 2015. If the policy had been applied as written, Gordon would not have been back until August 27, 2015.
Of course, Gordon must stay clean over the next several months and beyond, passing up to 10 drug tests per month. If he fails before he’s reinstated, he may not be reinstated. If he fails after, he’ll face another lengthy suspension.

If he can keep his nose clean and do what he supposed to while he's away, I don't have any problem with reinstating him early.

[cavsfan2]

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I get "barely testing for drugs" is a terrible defense, but one test was positive and the other tested negative. Stallworth killed a man and technically had a shorter suspension than Gordon since he was reinstated immediately after the Super Bowl. I understand the rules have changed but seriously?

I get these are the rules, so the suspension is warranted, but the rules have to change. It's like bizarro world with how substance abuse is the most significant offense someone in the NFL can do.

Still waiting for that Irsay suspension by the way.

[mestevo]

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In comparing it to Stallworth I think you're making the common mistake of ignoring that previous offenses set up a 1 year suspension.

If this was a first offense we typically wouldn't have heard about it.

How would you change the policy?

[redsrule]

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Have no fear Cincy fans




*disregard changes to the passing game in this time span*

I take back everything bad I've ever said about Dalton. He's obviously on his way to greatness.

[cavsfan2]

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In comparing it to Stallworth I think you're making the common mistake of ignoring that previous offenses set up a 1 year suspension.

If this was a first offense we typically wouldn't have heard about it.

How would you change the policy?

Im not sure how I would scale punishments, but if smoking weed a few times warrants a year than beating your girlfriend unconscious should be a suspension of at least that long.

[wwharton]

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Because it is from 8/27/2014-8/27/2015.

It's basically another complaint that the entire appeal process took 9 *** **** months to uphold a collectively bargained punishment that Gordon had "no chance" of winning.

Ah I see what you're saying... and agree. But PPM's last post hopefully changes that possibility. Even still, it's unfair to the Browns that it took this long.

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I get "barely testing for drugs" is a terrible defense, but one test was positive and the other tested negative. Stallworth killed a man and technically had a shorter suspension than Gordon since he was reinstated immediately after the Super Bowl. I understand the rules have changed but seriously?

I get these are the rules, so the suspension is warranted, but the rules have to change. It's like bizarro world with how substance abuse is the most significant offense someone in the NFL can do.

Still waiting for that Irsay suspension by the way.

Really gotta stop trying to compare apples to oranges. The NFL is not a court of law. If you feel Stallworth's crime deserved more punishment in the real world then the argument should be with the real world law makers. If you're fine with what Stallworth got but just think Gordon should get less, well he did... his first time.

The point of any punishment for breaking a rule/law is to discourage you from doing it again. That's why it escalates when you do it again... because obviously the original punishment wasn't a deterrent to you. Gordon is headed for a lifetime ban if he doesn't see a punishment that scares him soon, and that's his own dumb fault. Honestly, I think all of these comparisons are bad, but if they're going to continue to be made they should include anyone BUT Gordon. He is the perfect example of why an escalating system needs to be in place.

[wwharton]

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Im not sure how I would scale punishments, but if smoking weed a few times warrants a year than beating your girlfriend unconscious should be a suspension of at least that long.

Back to the Ray Rice comparison too I see. Somebody should google all of the different domestic abuse cases the NFL has dealt with over the last 10, 20 years... and the punishment given for each of them.

Let's compare apples to apples. It really is stupid that this particular incident is THE standard of comparison when there is a beloved player on the Ravens who beat up his girl and threw bleach on her. Other players in the league have pushed their pregnant girlfriend down the steps... or dragged them down the stairs by their hair.

Come on man, just accept that Gordon is an idiot that doesn't get it. He's quickly becoming a waste of talent, but that's nobody else's fault but his own.

[BlueNGold]

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Back to the Ray Rice comparison too I see. Somebody should google all of the different domestic abuse cases the NFL has dealt with over the last 10, 20 years... and the punishment given for each of them.

Let's compare apples to apples. It really is stupid that this particular incident is THE standard of comparison when there is a beloved player on the Ravens who beat up his girl and threw bleach on her. Other players in the league have pushed their pregnant girlfriend down the steps... or dragged them down the stairs by their hair.

Come on man, just accept that Gordon is an idiot that doesn't get it. He's quickly becoming a waste of talent, but that's nobody else's fault but his own.

Wait, what? He threw bleach on her too? I didn't know that.

[wwharton]

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Wait, what? He threw bleach on her too? I didn't know that.

Not Rice... hell he didn't "beat her until she was unconscious" either, as people like to say for emphasis (no, I wasn't there any more than anyone else was but the police aren't letting a couple leave together and there would be blood and bruises if he beat her until she was unconscious... but anyway). That was Suggs. And TSizzle is still my boy when it comes to my entertainment (watching and cheering for my team) but I have no words for a man (or woman) that would intentionally do that.

[jeremym480]

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I just think if you're in the NFL and you're dumb enough to put getting high over your NFL contract, then you're a special kind of stupid; and deserve what punishment they hand down.

I mean, your career isn't going to be that long anyway. Make your millions then smoke all you want when you're retired.

[ubernoob]

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I just think if you're in the NFL and you're dumb enough to put getting high over your NFL contract, then you're a special kind of stupid; and deserve what punishment they hand down.

I mean, your career isn't going to be that long anyway. Make your millions then smoke all you want when you're retired.

Not only that... but multiple times.

Let's not act like Gordon has any legs to stand on here. He's a special kind of stupid.

It derailed his college career and it derailed his pro career. Some people just don't get it.