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[dsallupinyaarea]

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I thought we hated the "both teams played hard" interviews?

[TheRealHST]

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I thought we hated the "both teams played hard" interviews?

I don't. The media does. Lol

[TheShizNo1]

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RGIII just talks too damn much and is in too many commercials for not having done anything. And just because he's a QB doesn't mean he's a leader. Good in theory, but not always the case.

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[Cardot]

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Give them vanilla answers. The press hates it but it avoids all of this mess he has now.

Totally agree. "We're on to Cincinnati".

[wwharton]

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I'm still not following the problem here. It was in a press conference. Doesn't the NFL make you do those or else they fine you? I guess he could get up there and give short yes or no answers, but we all know how that would get spun into a negative story.

He's the quarterback of the team, all he said was they all needed to be better and he included himself in that. If he didn't include himself I could see the need for him to shut up, but with QBs being the leaders of the teams that they're propped up to be, I don't really get how what he said was so terrible and worthy of still being talked about today.

I guess you have to know more about the situation. He appears to listen and work to improve less than anyone, so he's the last one that should be calling out anyone but himself. He speaks like he's the coach which is why Gruden went off on him. Even when he talks about what he needs to do better it sounds fake and looks fake when he appears even worse at that very thing in the next game.

I'm really hoping he's not the next Vince Young but he may be heading that way.

[TheRealHST]

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RGIII just talks too damn much and is in too many commercials for not having done anything. And just because he's a QB doesn't mean he's a leader. Good in theory, but not always the case.

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I blame us (media and fans) for this. We definitely blew him up way past what he was but in our defense he did win a Heisman.

[TheRealHST]

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Also I want to say that Gruden was wrong for putting RG3 so out there. All the three step drop stuff?? Cmon Jay. The press doesn't need all that.

[TheShizNo1]

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Also I want to say that Gruden was wrong for putting RG3 so out there. All the three step drop stuff?? Cmon Jay. The press doesn't need all that.

Nah he wasn't. RGIII needs to worry about himself. Not the others.

People have short memories on when Manning made that comment about them having protection issues against the Steelers and it getting blown up, also.

If I'm in that locker room, I don't need a guy who can't even stay healthy telling me that I need to do better.

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[SPTO]

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I blame us (media and fans) for this. We definitely blew him up way past what he was but in our defense he did win a Heisman.

I agree that we blew him up to be bigger than he was but then again maybe we shouldn't have as the road is littered with Heisman trophy winners that didn't do much in the NFL.

Personally, I think RGIII was way over his head from the beginning especially with how Snyder was all "buddy buddy" with him and like it or not that caused friction with the Shanahan experience. Truth be told though, that was never going to really work but with the suspicions of RGIII going above Shanny and whispering in Snyder's ear, it didn't help matters any.

He was thrust into a real dysfunctional situation and the mix of his giving off the impression that he's above the normal procedures and talking too much has really made things untenable.

I have a feeling RGIII won't be in a Redskins uniform very long. (within 2 seasons at best)

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Well, they've taken away one of his largest talents in his legs by keeping him in the pocket. Whether that's concern for his current health or for future injury doesn't really matter its still affecting how well they maximize his talents. Not that I blame them with his injury record and how shoddy of a field FedEx is. He should still be improving on defensive schemes and not throwing the ball into the ground, but its not exactly hard to successfully coach your defense against this squad.

I'm just tired of this team. Its always something other than winning.

[TheRealHST]

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I want to say that they should have kept him in the read option , but then again if you cant function in a real NFL offense then what good are you as a QB?



He is not a pocket passer and neither is Cam Newton. I'm just not sure what went wrong with them. Its a passing league with handicapped rules built to help QBs and they still struggle

[slickdtc]

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His first season was excellent for a rookie, so everyone just assumed he was going to take over the league if he could step in and do that.

Since then, it's been a ****storm of injury and drama. I don't completely blame RG3. It's on many people, mainly in the front office and coaching (past, and somewhat present) and of course also on the player himself. The team isn't good, but they probably shouldn't be this bad either.

Any coach is going to play second fiddle to RG3 because Snyder made it that way. He had one good season and Snyder started riding him, huge investment or not. So the message is getting mixed: RG3 is being told he's the man, the coach is being told the same, of course they're going to butt heads. I'm also not sure how good of a coach Gruden is.

Snyder just meddles way too much. It's one thing with the injuries and stuff, but when your owner is kind of going behind backs inflating egos or whatever, it's not conducive to sustained success.

Why do coaches keep trying to change players to fit their mould? Every athletic QB has to be a pocket passer -- why does that make sense? RG3 seemed destined to break the mould, because he was accurate; like a probably less explosive runner then Mike Vick but way better as a passer. You can't make these guys think their way through games, they need to play their game. Of course, you want to encourage taking care of your body and not turning the ball over but don't dumb down the game they've thrived on playing. That game may not have longevity, but it produces results in the short term.

I think RG3 still has greatness in him. But if this keeps up, he'll be damaged goods by the time he gets out of Washington, because the real problem (Snyder) ain't going anywhere.

Snyder created this, and now he has to live with it. He should have hired a coach who was on board with what he wants RG3 to do; instead just like every coach before him, he hired a guy who wants to "fix" his athletic QB and make him a pocket passer. It almost never works. Stop trying!

[wwharton]

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I blame us (media and fans) for this. We definitely blew him up way past what he was but in our defense he did win a Heisman.

Not really. His rookie year he won ROY and lead the team from the gutters to a division win and probably a playoff win if wasn't hurt. He did things his rookie year we've never seen from the position. It was clear he had things to work on but getting better from that starting point gave plenty of reason to hype him up.

The problem is he let all that go to his head and, injuries aside, has regressed in every area. I don't give him a pass for the injuries either because they have all been a result of him not doing what everyone from coaches, media and fans have been saying he needs to do.

And I'm a big fan of his, but it's pretty clear he's not listening to anyone besides maybe his father, who's interest isn't on the success of the team.

Also I want to say that Gruden was wrong for putting RG3 so out there. All the three step drop stuff?? Cmon Jay. The press doesn't need all that.

Did you watch the game? RG3 called out the oline when probably the three biggest breakdowns came from him taking the wrong drop, holding the ball way too long on a 3 step drop and leaving a perfectly good pocket. Honestly, Gruden's response is what convinced me he is the coach for this team. What he basically said was "do your job and let me do mine."

Well, they've taken away one of his largest talents in his legs by keeping him in the pocket. Whether that's concern for his current health or for future injury doesn't really matter its still affecting how well they maximize his talents. Not that I blame them with his injury record and how shoddy of a field FedEx is. He should still be improving on defensive schemes and not throwing the ball into the ground, but its not exactly hard to successfully coach your defense against this squad.

I'm just tired of this team. Its always something other than winning.

This isn't true either, which is why I've been souring more and more on RG3. He and his father were the ones who started complaining about the number of read option plays. HE wants to be a pocket passer. Last year, even when they called read option he was handing off even when he shouldn't have. Gruden was running read option plays with Dalton so there's no reason to think he's not going to do it with Griffin. RG3 is trying to prove he can be a pocket passer and he's not there yet. He also looks scared now whenever he does get outside. It's the exact opposite of his rookie year when he took too many chances.

[wwharton]

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His first season was excellent for a rookie, so everyone just assumed he was going to take over the league if he could step in and do that.

Since then, it's been a ****storm of injury and drama. I don't completely blame RG3. It's on many people, mainly in the front office and coaching (past, and somewhat present) and of course also on the player himself. The team isn't good, but they probably shouldn't be this bad either.

Any coach is going to play second fiddle to RG3 because Snyder made it that way. He had one good season and Snyder started riding him, huge investment or not. So the message is getting mixed: RG3 is being told he's the man, the coach is being told the same, of course they're going to butt heads. I'm also not sure how good of a coach Gruden is.

Snyder just meddles way too much. It's one thing with the injuries and stuff, but when your owner is kind of going behind backs inflating egos or whatever, it's not conducive to sustained success.

Why do coaches keep trying to change players to fit their mould? Every athletic QB has to be a pocket passer -- why does that make sense? RG3 seemed destined to break the mould, because he was accurate; like a probably less explosive runner then Mike Vick but way better as a passer. You can't make these guys think their way through games, they need to play their game. Of course, you want to encourage taking care of your body and not turning the ball over but don't dumb down the game they've thrived on playing. That game may not have longevity, but it produces results in the short term.

I think RG3 still has greatness in him. But if this keeps up, he'll be damaged goods by the time he gets out of Washington, because the real problem (Snyder) ain't going anywhere.

Snyder created this, and now he has to live with it. He should have hired a coach who was on board with what he wants RG3 to do; instead just like every coach before him, he hired a guy who wants to "fix" his athletic QB and make him a pocket passer. It almost never works. Stop trying!

I don't think Snyder's been doing much either. It's all in his head, man. He's trying to decide what he needs to do to be better and he's a kid who doesn't know what he's doing.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Honestly, he'll probably go to another team and find success because that's a trademark Redskins ending right there. Or he'll shatter his leg on FedEx Field. Either way I don't think he'll take this team anywhere.