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[slickdtc]

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Because a player plays defense he should be given the nod? Isn't that just as bad as giving it to the QB that has the best season?

The first thing you're doing as looking as the position they play and not actually how they play.

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Its because the precedent has been set for QB's that I take that stance of defensive players getting an edge when it's even. To even be considered, they have to be otherworldly. I've never seen a player do what Watt does and did this year. Only the greatest of the great. Other QB's have had seasons close to or better (in some categories) then Rodgers year.

It was one of the best seasons ever by a defensive player. Rodgers season was just another great season for a QB. With the way the NFL is trending towards offense, who knows how impressive it will even be in 20 years? But Watt's will always stand up, and probably be more impressive when we consider the offensive trend.

[slickdtc]

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You were valuable enough to get your team to a little above .500. Just doesn't sound right. If we're talking best player or most outstanding, I'm with you. But most valuable? Nah.

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This illustrates my point so perfectly. He had one of the great defensive seasons of all time. His team let him down. If he didn't have a revolving cast of QB's, they probably ARE in the playoffs. Why are we allowing the performances of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum, Tom Savage, and Ryan Mallet to influence his MVP merits? That's like saying Rodgers has a good RB and WR's, therefore some of his success was their doing and bump him down a notch.

Rodgers is a transcendent talent and player in this league and we're lucky to be able to watch a HOF career as it forms. As a QB, it's clear and obvious how much he influences the game. Watt did it often enough as a guy who DOESN'T touch the ball that I weight his performance more.

I just hate the fact that it can be considered one of the great defensive seasons of all time but won't be awarded as such in it's own time.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yeah 2-5-1 isn't what I thought they went, but I know Tolzien played well enough after Wallace went down quickly and Flynn came in to hold the spot down.

Still, 2.5 wins in 8 games is better then 2 in 16 that was set as the example.

But like he said, agree to disagree. It's splitting hairs. I just think when it's between offensive and defensive, by virtue of even being considered, the defensive player should be given the nod.

Lol, no Tolzien did not play well enough after Wallace went down. After ONE PLAY BTW.

Tolzien being god awful was the reason we brought Flynn back in the first place. Don't dig the hole any deeper man, lol.

Shiz, I'm about to start doing what you said on Twitter man. It might result getting banned but **** it lol

[slickdtc]

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I thought he only played the PHI game, but yeah he came back the week after with a stinker which led to Flynn coming back. I remember Wallace going down super early in the Eagles game.

I know I've misstated multiple things regarding the Packers in my recent posts. Simply can't follow them like guys from the area or fans of the team. And hindsight romanticizes their performances (like me thinking Tolzien was even okay). I get peeved when I hear generalities about the Bills, so I apologize for the errors. I'm not too prideful to come in and acknowledge that.

Watt shoulda got MVP, though!

[TheShizNo1]

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This illustrates my point so perfectly. He had one of the great defensive seasons of all time. His team let him down. If he didn't have a revolving cast of QB's, they probably ARE in the playoffs. Why are we allowing the performances of Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum, Tom Savage, and Ryan Mallet to influence his MVP merits? That's like saying Rodgers has a good RB and WR's, therefore some of his success was their doing and bump him down a notch.

Rodgers is a transcendent talent and player in this league and we're lucky to be able to watch a HOF career as it forms. As a QB, it's clear and obvious how much he influences the game. Watt did it often enough as a guy who DOESN'T touch the ball that I weight his performance more.

I just hate the fact that it can be considered one of the great defensive seasons of all time but won't be awarded as such in it's own time.

This is why sports need a Most Outstanding Player award along with an MVP. Watt would be the MOP while Rodgers would be the MVP.

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[z Revis]

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Tony Dungy was the one who voted for Wagner. Said the Seahawks defense was noticeably better with Wagner in the lineup. Dumb. I think Dungy is beginning to creep into that senile stage.

[ggsimmonds]

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Atlanta is being investigated for piping in crowd noise over the past two seasons.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Tony Dungy was the one who voted for Wagner. Said the Seahawks defense was noticeably better with Wagner in the lineup. Dumb. I think Dungy is beginning to creep into that senile stage.

Why he even has a vote in the first place, I have no idea why.

[TracerBullet]

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Why he even has a vote in the first place, I have no idea why.

[SPTO]

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Personally I would've voted Watt for the award simply because of the things he does on defense. Watt is truly a transcendent player at his position. It just sucks that he's playing his career on a team that either is under achieving or is outright bad. I have the feeling he may end up in a situation similar to Reggie White where he's recognized as an elite near HOF level player but it's going to take leaving Houston and playing on a team that wins a SB that will get people to truly recognize just how immense a talent he is. Not only is Watt a helluva player on the field but he's the kind the guy off the field that the NFL badly needs as a PR face for "The Shield".

That being said, you can't blame people voting for Rodgers because without him the Packers are a middle of the road team with a vastly different offense. I'd say offensively they'd be similar to Seattle with Eddie Lacy being their Beast Mode. (honestly though, I do think the Packers need to make Lacy a bigger part of their offense even with Rodgers behind center) The only problem with Rodgers being such a focal point of the offense is that when he does have a bad game (Buffalo, first half of Tampa game) the playcalling and effectiveness of the offense is lost. Mike McCarthy really tends to panic a bit when Rodgers isn't doing so hot and despite the Packers moving the ball with Lacy he will still dial up passing plays as if Rodgers is still sharp and ready to go.

Anywho, I hope one day JJ Watt does get an NFL MVP Award. The guy really deserves it.

[TheMatrix31]

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I don't think a defensive end is eligible to win a Most Valuable Quarterback award.

Maybe if he throws a touchdown next year.

[ggsimmonds]

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Personally I would've voted Watt for the award simply because of the things he does on defense. Watt is truly a transcendent player at his position. It just sucks that he's playing his career on a team that either is under achieving or is outright bad. I have the feeling he may end up in a situation similar to Reggie White where he's recognized as an elite near HOF level player but it's going to take leaving Houston and playing on a team that wins a SB that will get people to truly recognize just how immense a talent he is. Not only is Watt a helluva player on the field but he's the kind the guy off the field that the NFL badly needs as a PR face for "The Shield".

That being said, you can't blame people voting for Rodgers because without him the Packers are a middle of the road team with a vastly different offense. I'd say offensively they'd be similar to Seattle with Eddie Lacy being their Beast Mode. (honestly though, I do think the Packers need to make Lacy a bigger part of their offense even with Rodgers behind center) The only problem with Rodgers being such a focal point of the offense is that when he does have a bad game (Buffalo, first half of Tampa game) the playcalling and effectiveness of the offense is lost. Mike McCarthy really tends to panic a bit when Rodgers isn't doing so hot and despite the Packers moving the ball with Lacy he will still dial up passing plays as if Rodgers is still sharp and ready to go.

Anywho, I hope one day JJ Watt does get an NFL MVP Award. The guy really deserves it.

People already recognize him as the special talent that he is. So far he has been a once in a generation type player and people know this.

Him not winning MVP does not suggest otherwise. QBs will always be favored for the award because that position is probably the most valuable in sports.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I don't think a defensive end is eligible to win a Most Valuable Quarterback award.

Maybe if he throws a touchdown next year.

Man just stop fronting and say you don't think the dude should be MVP. Because I damn sure don't remember you riding this "Most Valuable QB" award deal when Peyton won it, lol.

[MattUM]

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I wouldn't have an issue if JJ won it, he had a better year than 1986 LT. I think why he didn't win it was because the Texans didn't make the playoffs.

[SPTO]

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People already recognize him as the special talent that he is. So far he has been a once in a generation type player and people know this.

Him not winning MVP does not suggest otherwise. QBs will always be favored for the award because that position is probably the most valuable in sports.

Agreed, but I don't know if the casual fandom sees it quite that way and i'm not saying him not winning doesn't suggest that Watt is a once in a generation talent but I DO think that an achievement like that would be great validation. After all, while not a perfect example we've seen a once in a generation defensive player win an MVP before (Lawrence Taylor) so it'd be nice to see the NFL acknowledge a defensive player's contribution to the game.