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[wwharton]

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Consistency.

They don't issue a fine to one of the league's rising stars who very clearly broke their rule.

But happily fine a player who wore cleats in tribute of someone who had died.

Either change the rule, ditch it, or be consistent. The fact someone gets an ridiculous fine for paying homage to a person who has passed away quite frankly makes me sick.

That's the victim crying way of looking at it. OBJ isn't the only player to be fined. In fact literally everyone before this incident has been, so it makes no sense to single him out for comparison. A 99.9% implementation is pretty damn consistent.

Your way of thinking makes no sense. If that's how anyone went about things, there would never be change, growth or adaptation. It's not the antithesis of consistency to go against a rule one time.

Oh come on, you can't tell me you watch a game and take issue with someone else's cleats being a different colour from the rest of the teams?

As long as I can identify what team I'm looking at and which player I'm looking at, let them wear whatever cleats they want within reason (Nothing stupid, self centered, etc..).

Sports is about more than winning and losing, it's a platform to do great things and give back and help unite people.

If you are in the armed forces you are expected to have your uniform perfect down to the smallest detail. That's the problem. This is the NFL. Not boot camp.

It's not boot camp, but this is also true for literally every job that requires some kind of uniform. Postal workers can't wear pink shirts when their mom dies of breast cancer. Police officers can't wear their fallen son's favorite Jordans to honor him. McDonald's workers can't even switch up their shirt to honor the charity of their choice.

It's in the job description that you wear the uniform... period.

But this isn't any other job. And I would think most jobs don't call you out of uniform because of your shoe game.

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It is any other job that requires you to wear a uniform. If shoes are part of the uniform, any other job would definitely punish you for not complying.

[ggsimmonds]

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Your way of thinking makes no sense. If that's how anyone went about things, there would never be change, growth or adaptation. It's not the antithesis of consistency to go against a rule one time.

Only want to comment about this part of your post, but you got this wrong. How does it not make sense and never lead to change when one of the things he said is to enforce the rule or change it. So right there he said they should change it and you reply back that this way of thinking never leads to change?

I don't really care either way. Not fining him is fine but if they do, great that is money to charity which should be okay with him if his intention was to draw attention to charity.

[wwharton]

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Only want to comment about this part of your post, but you got this wrong. How does it not make sense and never lead to change when one of the things he said is to enforce the rule or change it. So right there he said they should change it and you reply back that this way of thinking never leads to change?

I don't really care either way. Not fining him is fine but if they do, great that is money to charity which should be okay with him if his intention was to draw attention to charity.

That was in response to the thought that ever doing anything different should be frowned upon and considered a lack of consistency. That assumes that things can only be called consistent if followed 100% of the time, and leaves no room for evolution, adapting, or simply evaluating an individual situation and changing your mind. Things go more wrong than right if someone logically has a change of heart but doesn't act on it for fear of backlash for lack of consistency.

This can be brought up if there's some kind of pattern, but this is definitely not a pattern.

[ggsimmonds]

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That was in response to the thought that ever doing anything different should be frowned upon and considered a lack of consistency. That assumes that things can only be called consistent if followed 100% of the time, and leaves no room for evolution, adapting, or simply evaluating an individual situation and changing your mind. Things go more wrong than right if someone logically has a change of heart but doesn't act on it for fear of backlash for lack of consistency.

This can be brought up if there's some kind of pattern, but this is definitely not a pattern.

Going to have to disagree with you on this one. This isn't as broad as "doing anything different." This is about enforcing the rules. The evolution and adapting would come in the form of revising the rule. So I disagree that following the rules leaves no room for those things.

[RJTurneR]

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It's not boot camp, but this is also true for literally every job that requires some kind of uniform. Postal workers can't wear pink shirts when their mom dies of breast cancer. Police officers can't wear their fallen son's favorite Jordans to honor him. McDonald's workers can't even switch up their shirt to honor the charity of their choice.

It's in the job description that you wear the uniform... period.

It is any other job that requires you to wear a uniform. If shoes are part of the uniform, any other job would definitely punish you for not complying.

Since when did we become so desensitised to issues in our world, that when a player wears cleats in relation to said issue the response is "Well, you should be wearing your uniform correctly". Man that's kind of stuff I expect to hear from my teacher as a kid.

There is a difference between a postal worker and an NFL player. NFL players are shown on national television. Watched by millions from America, to the UK, to Europe, and even beyond. Sports gives a player a huge amount of potential to do something great, it's not just about putting numbers on a stats sheet. And sometimes it's the simplest of things that can start something big. We all see how easy it is for things to go viral. A player tries to keep it simple by wearing cleats to raise awareness infront of millions of people, he gets fined and your response is "Oh, well you signed a contract, it's in the job description".

Well ****, so much for bringing awareness to the things that really matter in this world, right?

Also, for those aware of the news regarding Todd Bowles being taken to hospital, via Adam Schefter; -

Initially Jets officials feared the 53-year-old Todd Bowles suffered a heart attack Friday, according to sources. Bowles began throwing up, experienced chest pains, back pains, and after he was given medication, he could not keep it down, which is when Jets officials became extremely concerned and took him to the hospital. Doctors determined Bowles did not suffer a heart attack, though they want to visit with the Jets head coach again after the season to continue monitoring him to see if any further action needs to be taken. Bowles is hoping to coach in Saturday’s game against the Patriots, but he has been told it will be a doctor’s decision about whether he can go to New England.

[ggsimmonds]

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Since when did we become so desensitised to issues in our world, that when a player wears cleats in relation to said issue the response is "Well, you should be wearing your uniform correctly". Man that's kind of stuff I expect to hear from my teacher as a kid.

There is a difference between a postal worker and an NFL player. NFL players are shown on national television. Watched by millions from America, to the UK, to Europe, and even beyond. Sports gives a player a huge amount of potential to do something great, it's not just about putting numbers on a stats sheet. And sometimes it's the simplest of things that can start something big. We all see how easy it is for things to go viral. A player tries to keep it simple by wearing cleats to raise awareness infront of millions of people, he gets fined and your response is "Oh, well you signed a contract, it's in the job description".

Well ****, so much for bringing awareness to the things that really matter in this world, right?

I'm arguing both sides on here, but what if the thing the player was drawing attention to was controversial and not everyone agreed with his message?

What if the player's attempt created something of a distraction?

[RJTurneR]

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I'm arguing both sides on here, but what if the thing the player was drawing attention to was controversial and not everyone agreed with his message?

What if the player's attempt created something of a distraction?

I'm glad you asked. That's why I think custom cleats should be allowed with rules/guidelines in place to stop something like what Dorial Green-Beckham did (Made up a charity & then wore Yeezy cleats, and rightfully got fined).

On the flip side, I can see that becoming a lot of micromanagement. But it's not like the NFL aren't doing that already..

[ggsimmonds]

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I'm glad you asked. That's why I think custom cleats should be allowed with rules/guidelines in place to stop something like what Dorial Green-Beckham did (Made up a charity & then wore Yeezy cleats, and rightfully got fined).

On the flip side, I can see that becoming a lot of micromanagement. But it's not like the NFL aren't doing that already..

Personally on the subject of custom cleats I think they should be allowed so long as they do not promote any message (and for business reasons, they must be sponsor approved, wear whatever model/colorway of Nike cleats you want).

Edit: Switching topics, Terry Bradshaw says Mike Tomlin is not a great coach, but really a great cheerleader guy. For what it is worth, my two cents is that we throw around "great" too easily, so no, Tomlin is not a great coach. But I would not characterize him as a cheerleader guy either.

[SPTO]

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Also, for those aware of the news regarding Todd Bowles being taken to hospital, via Adam Schefter; -

Thanks for the update on Bowles. I had heard about the throwing up and such. It sounds like it was a pretty scary situation. Hopefully the docs don't find anything seriously wrong after the season.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Personally on the subject of custom cleats I think they should be allowed so long as they do not promote any message (and for business reasons, they must be sponsor approved, wear whatever model/colorway of Nike cleats you want).

Edit: Switching topics, Terry Bradshaw says Mike Tomlin is not a great coach, but really a great cheerleader guy. For what it is worth, my two cents is that we throw around "great" too easily, so no, Tomlin is not a great coach. But I would not characterize him as a cheerleader guy either.

He had a lot of success, but it was with Cowher's players. Once Cowher's players started getting old and retiriing, he hasn't had as much.

[ggsimmonds]

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He had a lot of success, but it was with Cowher's players. Once Cowher's players started getting old and retiriing, he hasn't had as much.

That is true to some extent, but that Steelers defense all those years ago was scary good; you don't lose those players and continue on without missing a beat.

Funny though, one can make the same statement with regards to Harbough/Billick and the Ravens. Only I don't think anyone elevates Billick to the same status as Cowher.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Depends on how one defines "great" in regards to Coaching, but to me I think he's a Top 3-5 HC.

[RJTurneR]

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Depends on how one defines "great" in regards to Coaching, but to me I think he's a Top 3-5 HC.

Some coaches are just able to elevate their players and put them into situations to succeed i.e. Belichick, were as some just fall into the right situation and everything ties together around them. That is kind of how I see Tomlin. He is a good coach, but the Steelers have always been one of the most well regarded organisations in the league, and so it's easy for him to just get on with his job.

For the most part, you don't hear much about him. And that's a good thing. That means he is doing his job well.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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For the most part, you don't hear much about him. And that's a good thing. That means he is doing his job well.

Oh, that's a very good thing considering the turnover of HC since he's been coaching. I think only Belichick, Payton, Lewis and McCarthy are the only ones who've been with their teams since he got hired(2007). And 3 of the 4 have at least 1 SB in that same timespan.

That's good company to be in, especially in a league where teams are quick to get rid of bad coaches after 2-3 years, unless your name is Jeff Fisher.

[NDAlum]

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I think Bradshaw is out of his mind and needs to shut up. Maybe he's just trying to garner attention for himself.