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My opinion is that Denver has had a good defense for the past few years, no matter who is/was at QB.
It's also my opinion that you can't go wrong with any of the top picks for this year and any winner will tell you they'd rather have the ring vs the trophy.Comment
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Oh I agree with the ring part, but it doesn't hurt to have individual awards showing how good you are.
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For me it's Peterson. W/o Harvin, he is seeing 9 in the box just about every play. Peyton Manning gets to change the play based on what he see from the defense. 2 safeties deep, audible to a run. Single high safety audible to a pass. Its much more complicated than that. But the past two weeks I've been watching the All-22 and Peyton is being Peyton. He is doing what he always does, which IMO puts him squarely in the conversation for MVP and I wouldn't be mad if he won. That said, what Peterson is doing is just insane. To be a 2,000 yard back in a passing league where the rules favor throwing the ball over running it....Peterson is my MVP, and to me its not even close.
That said, whoever win it, will have earned it.
Peyton just being Peyton has gotten a completely new group of 52 to achieve the same regular season success of his old group of 52... expecting 12+ wins a year and on pace for a first round bye in the playoffs, which is all you can ask for in terms of chances at winning a SB.
The point is to win a SB. The point of the regular season is to put your team in the best position to win the SB. The MVP is awarded with only the regular season in mind.
Is Peterson more valuable to his team than Peyton? Possibly... maybe even probably. But if we're comparing MVPs of respective teams, I'm going with the one who's contributions have put his team in the best position (and is likely to give them the best chance) to win the SB. When that's a wash we can debate the other things like stats, team around them, etc, etc. A bunch of stats that gets your team to 8 wins is a tailor made OPOY imo.Comment
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Since Peyton and the Broncos are the main comparison going on. If the Broncos played the exact schedule they had last year again with Tebow I'd bet any amount of money they wouldn't win 7 of those 11 games. What does that mean? Absolutely nothing. The facts are that with Peterson playing all world the team is still barely sniffing the playoffs. So while he is the most valuable player on his team, his value still may not get them to even having an opportunity at the goal every team is playing for. You can blame it on the players around him, injury, whatever but it's still the facts. Just like Rodgers case may have been limited by the injuries around him, someone else's chances may have been limited by schedule, or play calling, or whatever. We can only go with the variables we have.
I'm still wondering where all these Vikings fans were when Jamal Lewis went over 2000 yards. Don't remember any of them fighting this hard for him to win MVP.Comment
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I think the better argument is that if Peterson had a QB that could keep defenses honest I think he would already be at 2,000 yards. That is the part that is the the biggest what if for me. What if defense weren't able to stack the box play after play. Ponder is averaging 5.9 ypa, while Peterson is averaging 6.3 ypc.Last edited by N51_rob; 12-21-2012, 06:59 PM.Moderator
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I think the better argument is that if Peterson had a QB that could keep defenses honest I think he would already be at 2,000 yards. That is the part that is the the biggest what if for me. What if defense weren't able to stack the box play after play. Ponder is averaging 5.9 ypa, while Peterson is averaging 6.3 ypc.
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It's not like they are handing it off to AP all game though...the guy has had several games this year with fewer than 18 carries. If anything I'd think a QB who is more of a passing threat would open up the run and result in more runs. As it is, I think the Vikes feel they HAVE to throw with 9 in the box just to keep the D honest."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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It's not like they are handing it off to AP all game though...the guy has had several games this year with fewer than 18 carries. If anything I'd think a QB who is more of a passing threat would open up the run and result in more runs. As it is, I think the Vikes feel they HAVE to throw with 9 in the box just to keep the D honest.Indianapolis Colts
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I think the better argument is that if Peterson had a QB that could keep defenses honest I think he would already be at 2,000 yards. That is the part that is the the biggest what if for me. What if defense weren't able to stack the box play after play. Ponder is averaging 5.9 ypa, while Peterson is averaging 6.3 ypc.Comment
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human (fan) nature to be a homer and pull for your guy to win the MVP. Just like I'm sure tons of Ravens fans were when Lewis ran for 2,000.University of Minnesota Golden Gopher Hockey
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After tonight's game, it's pretty safe to say Matt Ryan has locked up the MVP. No one else is even close.Comment
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