Aaron Hernandez Saga

[N51_rob]

I hear they knew some of this. I guess they were hoping 40 mill with 12.5 guaranteed would be enough to keep him from really screwing up. They were wrong it would seem. I mean he is/was worth a drug suspension and a DUI/Domestic battery arrest in their eyes maybe. I really don't know, but most teams and NFL Security hire ex-cops to be made aware of what's going on with most players anyways.




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[TajDeni]

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Because we hold human life higher than that. Even if Lloyd know of the double murders and said nothin does that mean he should be taken to a field and shot multiple times in the back and then twice more while he lay bleeding?

It sounds like you are saying that his murder is acceptable because he may have know about another crime and didn't come forward? Seems rather callous to me, lets put the victim on trial along with his alleged killer(s)?


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im not saying that anyone deserves to die, but what i am saying is that im not going to get all bent out of shape because a guy lost his life, when he didnt respect the fact that another person lost their life.

if he did know, maybe if he would have been a standup citizen then he wouldnt be in the ground today.

im not here to defend hernadez in any way shape or form. he is a grown man, who made a grown man decision. he made his bed for himself, now he has to lay in it. nobody made him do these things he "alledgedly" did, so i have no simpathy for him or his punishment.

but i will take up issue with your we hold human life higher than that comment.

i find extremely hypocritical, that we live in a counrty where folks get outraged when man commits a crime (and folks should be outraged), yet we'll all rush out to the movies to see some actor make 30million to play the role of aaron hernandez's life. i cant really explain it to you if what im saying doesnt resonate with you, but even as a lil kid, this never ever sat well with me.

we are a very hypocritical species, us humans, so spare me the we hold human lives higher bs, because if we (meaning you, me and everybody else in this world) truly held human life higher as you say then then alot of things about this world we live in would be different, way different. but the fact are that we dont hold human life truly higher, we human beings just like to say we do.

so again, no i do not condone anything that aaron hernandez did, nor would i ever. but i also know that we live in a very hypocritical society that leads to alot of the violence that plays itself out in these streets.

[TajDeni]

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His signature says "THUGLIFE."

I don't think logic applies here.

just another guy running off at the mouth who knows nothing about me or even what the term means to me. so judge a book by its cover cause you read 1 sentence on 1 page of an infinate paged book.

but thats cool, wouldnt really expect anything much more than that from majority of folks nowdays anyways.

at the end of the day, just dont expect me to feel sympathy for a man who knew that another man was murdered and said nothing to resolve the murder. then because he's now murdered im supposed to feel sympathy for him.

if you make that choice to dance with the devil, then you cant get upset when the devil bite you in the ***. you knew the risk involved and you still took that chance. dont cry wo-is-me now.

[roadman]

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Most of us can separate what's not real life vs real life.

Die Hard doesn't mean some NY City policeman in real life can go Lone Ranger and kill 30 people.

Real life isn't what's in the movies, tv's or magazines.

I don't try to lump anyone into any supposed catagory, especially people I don't know and I would appreciate if people would do the same.

[TajDeni]

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Most of us can separate what's not real life vs real life.

Die Hard doesn't mean some NY City policeman in real life can go Lone Ranger and kill 30 people.

Real life isn't what's in the movies, tv's or magazines.

I don't try to lump anyone into any supposed catagory, especially people I don't know and I would appreciate if people would do the same.

i didnt lump anybody into anything. but society is all of us. not just the knuckleheads or the good folks but all of us.

i know you dont mean any harm by your post and i dont mean any to you by mines, but im not going to have this convo with you right now, because by me even attempting to have this convo it puts it out there that i endorse hernadez which i dont.

maybe at another point in time, under different circumstances, the oppertunity will present itself where we could crack it open and get into it, and maybe at the end of we could walk away from it with a better understanding of where each others perspective is coming from, but now is not that time.

[p_rushing]

As I thought about this last night I wondered...how did NFL teams miss this? What I mean is we hear how when guys are drafted they do SERIOUS background checks on these guys...any team looking at drafting Hernandez you would think would stumble on this type of gang/criminal related activity.

It's odd to me that if this guy was as blatant as he was with his activities that they didn't know/have indications.

I saw somewhere that teams took him off their draft board. He also hasn't caused any problems while in the league that at least had been widely reported. You can't invade players privacy as long as it stays private.

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[Phobia]

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just another guy running off at the mouth who knows nothing about me or even what the term means to me. so judge a book by its cover cause you read 1 sentence on 1 page of an infinate paged book.

but thats cool, wouldnt really expect anything much more than that from majority of folks nowdays anyways.

at the end of the day, just dont expect me to feel sympathy for a man who knew that another man was murdered and said nothing to resolve the murder. then because he's now murdered im supposed to feel sympathy for him.

if you make that choice to dance with the devil, then you cant get upset when the devil bite you in the ***. you knew the risk involved and you still took that chance. dont cry wo-is-me now.

I understand the points you are making and I tend to follow with many of them. Now my hang up is the "thug life" comment. We are a society based around initial impressions, visual perceptions, and quick assessments. You being a intelligent person should be able to see and understand that having thuglife instantly gives most the perception that you support the streets and the negativity that comes with it.

It is no different than someone posting something on facebook that could be perceived wrong and prevent them from getting a job or getting fired from one.

So while I am pretty sure I understand what you mean by the "thug life" sig. I'm just pointing out that the speed our society moves, quick impressions are here to stay. You can always want a more in-depth thought provoking society but the simple fact will remain.............its not going to happen.

[ubernoob]

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just another guy running off at the mouth who knows nothing about me or even what the term means to me. so judge a book by its cover cause you read 1 sentence on 1 page of an infinate paged book.

but thats cool, wouldnt really expect anything much more than that from majority of folks nowdays anyways.

at the end of the day, just dont expect me to feel sympathy for a man who knew that another man was murdered and said nothing to resolve the murder. then because he's now murdered im supposed to feel sympathy for him.

if you make that choice to dance with the devil, then you cant get upset when the devil bite you in the ***. you knew the risk involved and you still took that chance. dont cry wo-is-me now.

You're right, I don't know the meaning of it to you. The fact of the matter is that it's there and that's the impression you give off.

If I get a face tat, I know the fact of the matter is that I won't get a job in business even if I were the most qualified candidate. That's just how it works. If "THUGLIFE" is something you want to associate yourself with, regardless of it's meaning to you, then you have to know that every action has a consequence.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying on Lloyd. I don't have any sympathy for him if he runs with that crew and is somehow tied into the 2012 murders they are investigating. It's sad that his child will have to grow up with no father. I have sympathy for the kid. It's sad that all this disregard is shown for human life. It's not sympathy for him, it's empathy for the entire situation.

[blackceasar]

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Oh yeah? Cool, Innocent til proven guilty. I live by it.

Well thats easy to say when you don't have anything on the line to wager. So what if someone bet you your next five years salary that he was guilty. Would you take that bet and ride the "innocent" train?

[kehlis]

Well thats easy to say when you don't have anything on the line to wager. So what if someone bet you your next five years salary that he was guilty. Would you take that bet and ride the "innocent" train?

Read his posts in the rest of the thread.

[TajDeni]

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I understand the points you are making and I tend to follow with many of them. Now my hang up is the "thug life" comment. We are a society based around initial impressions, visual perceptions, and quick assessments. You being a intelligent person should be able to see and understand that having thuglife instantly gives most the perception that you support the streets and the negativity that comes with it.

It is no different than someone posting something on facebook that could be perceived wrong and prevent them from getting a job or getting fired from one.

So while I am pretty sure I understand what you mean by the "thug life" sig. I'm just pointing out that the speed our society moves, quick impressions are here to stay. You can always want a more in-depth thought provoking society but the simple fact will remain.............its not going to happen.

1st i understand your post completely.

im cool with his assumptions but at the end of the day its just that and nothing more than his assumptions. everybody has assumptions, but just because you have assumptions, that dont make your assumptions right or mean that you even know what the hell you are talking about. thats why i said he's just running off at the mouth, not cause i dont understand where he's coming from but because he dont understand where im coming from. yet he assumes he does.

thought we learned this as kids. dont judge a book by its cover. i mean you can as a grown adult but sometimes you gonna be right and sometimes you gonna be wrong.

bottomline for me is i dont care what ppl think about me or the word thuglife, because for 1 most ppl dont even understand what the word truly means. you cant get the depths of the meaning im holding in my heart from websters or wikipedia. books cant give you these rules to the game im living. cause im not living life based on societies assumptions and values. im living life based on the rules and values written on the walls of my heart. if that just so happens to go against the rest of society then so be it.

and i do support the streets, but thats only because i come from there, but at the same time that dont mean i support ppl getting murdered. murders are not the only thing ppl learn growing up in the streets. but at the same time how can a person who's not from the streets understand the mentality of a person from the streets. whether what that person did is right or wrong?

its like how can a person who's never missed a meal (and im just talking in general) understand the actions and motivations of a person who's starving? thats part of the problem ppl who dont understand why another person is the way they are are always trying to apply their own logic to a situation theyve personally never had to face.

now to be clear im no longer talking hernandez but just life in general.

you see ppl worry too much about oh that kid is selling drugs or commiting crimes, but i dont think like that because i know majority of the various motivations why folks do the silly things they do.

what i ask is what is it about life that makes a man or woman even feel the need to make such a decision and i focus on finding a solution to that. for ex. if a man runs up in another mans house and robs him of all his food, and lets say some ppl get hurt in the process. majority of the world focuses on the robbery, but i dont. i ask how can we fix it so that a man is never so hungry that the thought of running into another persons house looking for food never even enters his mind in the 1st place.

because believe you me, a person who's belly is full doesnt even harbor those kinds of thoughts to begin with thus theres no need to run up in somebodys house looking for food.

you see im a soils, seeds, roots and water kinda guy, not a branches, leaves, fruits and wind kinda a guy if ya follow what i mean. take care of one and the other follows naturally.

[TheMatrix31]

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At some point, people should grow up and do things to move on mentally and physically from "the struggle."

[TheShizNo1]

if a man runs up in another mans house and robs him of all his food, and lets say some ppl get hurt in the process. majority of the world focuses on the robbery, but i dont. i ask how can we fix it so that a man is never so hungry that the thought of running into another persons house looking for food never even enters his mind in the 1st place.

What is your address and when do you plan on going grocery shopping?



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[TajDeni]

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You're right, I don't know the meaning of it to you. The fact of the matter is that it's there and that's the impression you give off.

If I get a face tat, I know the fact of the matter is that I won't get a job in business even if I were the most qualified candidate. That's just how it works. If "THUGLIFE" is something you want to associate yourself with, regardless of it's meaning to you, then you have to know that every action has a consequence.

I somewhat agree with what you're saying on Lloyd. I don't have any sympathy for him if he runs with that crew and is somehow tied into the 2012 murders they are investigating. It's sad that his child will have to grow up with no father. I have sympathy for the kid. It's sad that all this disregard is shown for human life. It's not sympathy for him, it's empathy for the entire situation.

impression i give off, dont make me laugh. did my sig talk to you or whisper some bad things in your ear. bottomline is you dont know what the hell your even talking about when it comes to my sig and yet you swear that you do, and then you try to cover up your ignorance by saying its the impression i give off.

its like i said, everyone is entitles to their assumptions, its a human right. sometimes you gonna be wrong and sometimes your gonna be right. im at peace with your assumptions and accept them as apart of our society. but please take ownership of your own bs and spare me with the its the impressions i give off.

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have empathy, sympathy or whatever else you wanna have for the situation thats your right as a free citizen, but never forget that this situation is just a symptom of a greater problem in this society and not the root of the problems itself. its like if you have a cold, you can treat the running nose, but the runny nose is only a symptom, not the problem that caused the symptoms in the 1st place.

[TheMatrix31]

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Dude, okay, we don't get you or where you came from or where your phrase comes from.

Drop it if you're not going to explain it but stop the complex.