Aaron Hernandez Saga

[N51_rob]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

A speeding ticket does not result in a criminal record lol. Its a voilation

I never said speeding I said 20 MPH over the speed limit which in Virginia, for example isn't a traffic violation, it is a misdemeanor. I made sure to be explicit in my post, but you choose to ignore that and go for the low hanging fruit of simple speeding, which I wasn't talking about.

The Code of Virginia has over 20 sections pertaining to reckless driving. It is defined as a Class 1 misdemeanor criminal offense, not a traffic infraction or a speeding ticket. For example, Virginia code explicitly defines the act of speeding 20 mph or more above the posted speed limit (or at any speed greater than 80 mph) as reckless driving.

All drivers convicted of reckless driving in Virginia, including out-of-state and foreign (e.g. Canadian) drivers, will have a permanent criminal record that will be indexed in the NCIC criminal database.

The conviction will also be added to a Virginia driving record for 11 years, and six demerit points will be applied.

[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

I never said speeding I said 20 MPH over the speed limit which in Virginia, for example isn't a traffic violation, it is a misdemeanor. I made sure to be explicit in my post, but you choose to ignore that and go for the low hanging fruit of simple speeding, which I wasn't talking about.

Lol way to nitpick the rare case where a traffic ticket is taken as a misdemenor when 99% of the other examples of getting convicted of a crime apply instead.
Okay, i edit my idea. 99% of the time a guy shouldnt be allowed in the nfl anymore if hes committed a crime lol

[z Revis]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Lol way to nitpick the rare case where a traffic ticket is taken as a misdemenor when 99% of the other examples of getting convicted of a crime apply instead.
Okay, i edit my idea. 99% of the time a guy shouldnt be allowed in the nfl anymore if hes committed a crime lol

A crime? Any type of crime? Not every crime is that serious man.....

I wouldn't watch the NFL under your rules, that's for sure.

[N51_rob]

A crime? Any type of crime? Not every crime is that serious man.....

I wouldn't watch the NFL under your rules, that's for sure.

Your just nitpicking....


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[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Or i just have a different opinion. Its not the end of the world. Sun will still rise tomorrow, dont worry. Plenty of employers out there wont hire people convicted of a crime.

[kingkilla56]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

God forbid Eli Manning jaywalks. We would be screwed.

[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

God forbid Eli Manning jaywalks. We would be screwed.

Why? You'd have to draft a good QB then?

[kingkilla56]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Why? You'd have to draft a good QB then?

We'd need to find a new multiple time SB MVP if that were the case. Its a rare and dying breed.

But on topic, the idea of exiling every player that commits a crime is ludicrous. Everyday you aren't the commissoner of the NFL is a good one for the league.

[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

lol, some of you guys are far too serious in life. Don't worry, there is about as much chance of me being commisioner as there is you lol

[N51_rob]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

That's basically the second time you've said something about guys "taking things to seriously" you edited the earlier posts. No one is taking your one crime you're out stance serious at all. The problem is you fail to see just how asinine such a stance is. Examples have been provided of why, but you dismiss them for some reason. Bottom line is that just about everyone agrees that violent felons should probablly not be afforded the luxury that professional sports offers. Just like my reckless driving in VA and killaking's jay walking not all crimes are created equal and since the laws very from state to state setting such a wide and general stance would be insane. Not to mention that the majority of 20 somethings for lack of a better term are stupid, and are more likely to do something dumb the first time the get a check with 5 or 6 zeroes behind the number. Difference is most 20 somethings don't have the media checking the police blotter for their names.

But you can continue to be dismissive of any post that points those facts out.

[bichettehappens]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

I'd like to see this thread stay on-topic about the Hernandez story, rather than become a circular, fruitless debate about crime & consequence in the NFL as a whole.

As for Hernandez, from all the evidence that's been presented so far (and I'm sure there's still more to come, especially if they find the murder weapon), there is zero doubt that, at the very least, he is an accomplice in a premeditated conspiracy to murder Odin Lloyd - at least from my perspective.

For me (opinion, I suppose), innocent until proven guilty is only applicable in this case in regards to whether or not he physically pulled the trigger. I believe it has already been proven that he is involved and a willful accomplice if nothing more. I see absolutely no scenario in which he could be completely absolved of all wrong-doing in the case.

I also think the "gang" photos and tattoos are completely irrelevant. Sure, they help further paint the grim picture of his character but they don't provide proof of any actual gang affiliations, nor has there been any evidence that they played a part in the murder(s). I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Hernandez was never actually a member of any gang, but rather dressed the part because he wanted so badly to embody that image. Otherwise, I don't get how he goes from dressing like a blood, to having a Latin King tattoo, as well as another tattoo of a rival gang. I can't imagine all that would fly if he were actually a member of one of them.

[N51_rob]

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Agree 100% on the photos. I doubt they would even be admissible in court and are out there to only really poison the potential jury pool.

[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

That's basically the second time you've said something about guys "taking things to seriously" you edited the earlier posts. No one is taking your one crime you're out stance serious at all. The problem is you fail to see just how asinine such a stance is. Examples have been provided of why, but you dismiss them for some reason. Bottom line is that just about everyone agrees that violent felons should probablly not be afforded the luxury that professional sports offers. Just like my reckless driving in VA and killaking's jay walking not all crimes are created equal and since the laws very from state to state setting such a wide and general stance would be insane. Not to mention that the majority of 20 somethings for lack of a better term are stupid, and are more likely to do something dumb the first time the get a check with 5 or 6 zeroes behind the number. Difference is most 20 somethings don't have the media checking the police blotter for their names.

But you can continue to be dismissive of any post that points those facts out.

Asinine? Lol, nice words from a mod. Sorry for having an opinion. The only asinine thing really in my mind is taking my statement about a crime and using the few and far between examples of misdemeanors that are moslty violations in most states in such a literal way to try and prove a silly point. Enjoy

[Keirik]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

I'd like to see this thread stay on-topic about the Hernandez story, rather than become a circular, fruitless debate about crime & consequence in the NFL as a whole.

As for Hernandez, from all the evidence that's been presented so far (and I'm sure there's still more to come, especially if they find the murder weapon), there is zero doubt that, at the very least, he is an accomplice in a premeditated conspiracy to murder Odin Lloyd - at least from my perspective.

For me (opinion, I suppose), innocent until proven guilty is only applicable in this case in regards to whether or not he physically pulled the trigger. I believe it has already been proven that he is involved and a willful accomplice if nothing more. I see absolutely no scenario in which he could be completely absolved of all wrong-doing in the case.

I also think the "gang" photos and tattoos are completely irrelevant. Sure, they help further paint the grim picture of his character but they don't provide proof of any actual gang affiliations, nor has there been any evidence that they played a part in the murder(s). I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Hernandez was never actually a member of any gang, but rather dressed the part because he wanted so badly to embody that image. Otherwise, I don't get how he goes from dressing like a blood, to having a Latin King tattoo, as well as another tattoo of a rival gang. I can't imagine all that would fly if he were actually a member of one of them.

Yeah i dont believe the gang tatsxwill be allowed in court unless there is some relation to the actual case

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Committing one crime and your out would leave the NFL without anybody. I remember reading someplace that there is not one person in the United States of America who could not be brought up on Federal charges.

Here was the article.