Aaron Hernandez Saga

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Yep the burden is 100% on the prosecution, which is why I laugh when people really think the innocent get punished for things they didn't do. Those are so few and far between when compared to the guilty who walk or get no punishment.

Well, we have US history to look back on and see why jury trials can lead to false convictions and executions.

[NDAlum]

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Well, we have US history to look back on and see why jury trials can lead to false convictions and executions.

My comment was directed at today's world, not the past. Once again I stated mistakes do happen, just as they do in all walks of life. They are just extremely rare.

[Kaiser Wilhelm]

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My comment was directed at today's world, not the past. Once again I stated mistakes do happen, just as they do in all walks of life. They are just extremely rare.

My comment was to point out that skepticism is reasonable. Do you really think people today are that different?

[Psyblast]

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http://deadspin.com/warrant-aaron-hernandez-circled-victims-before-2012-dr-1497027015?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_facebook&utm_source=deadspin_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

[N51_rob]

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How did the Boston PD not have the video footage prior to being tipped off? Seems like they should've had this footage for a while.

[wwharton]

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http://deadspin.com/warrant-aaron-he...ium=socialflow

Outside of the normal smh response, two things stuck out to me.

1. How did he get in, order and down 2 drinks in 10 minutes? Even if it was 2 shots...
2. Deadspin or not, poor form referring to the guy sitting in the front seat as "riding shotgun".

[mestevo]

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Hernandez and 2 otherd charged with murder, and under MA law they won't even have to convince a jury who pulled the trigger, just their involvement.

Enjoy prison, idiots.

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[N51_rob]

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Hernandez and 2 otherd charged with murder, and under MA law they won't even have to convince a jury who pulled the trigger, just their involvement.

Enjoy prison, idiots.

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I have a huge problem with whatever law that is. Essentially we don't know who killed the victim but evidence will show that someone did it so find someone guilty....


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[mestevo]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

Deadspin spells it out: http://deadspin.com/aaron-hernandez-...tha-1562362236

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The bad news for Hernandez is due to Massachusetts's "joint venture" law, which holds all participants equally responsible for a crime if they "intentionally participat[e]" in its commission. Here are sample jury instructions from a 2009 case that laid out "joint venture" in its current form:

"A defendant knowingly participates in the commission of an offense if he [she] intentionally participates in some meaningful way in the commission of the offense, with the intent required to commit the offense. Such participation may take any of several forms. It may take the form of personally committing the acts that constitute the crime, or of aiding or assisting another in those acts. It may take the form of asking or encouraging another person to commit the crime, or helping to plan the commission of the crime. Alternatively, it may take the form of agreeing to stand by at, or near, the scene of the crime to act as a lookout, or to provide aid or assistance in committing the crime, or in escaping, if such help becomes necessary. The agreement to help if needed does not need to be made through a formal or explicit written or oral advance plan or agreement; it is enough consciously to act together before or during the crime with the intent of making the crime succeed.

"The Commonwealth must also prove beyond a reasonable doubt that, at the time the defendant knowingly participated in the commission of the crime charged [identify the crime charged if needed to avoid confusion], he [she] had or shared the intent required for that crime...

"Mere knowledge that a crime is to be committed is not sufficient to convict the defendant. The Commonwealth must also prove more than mere association with the perpetrator of the crime, either before or after its commission. It must also prove more than a failure to take appropriate steps to prevent the commission of the crime.

"Mere presence at the scene of the crime is not enough to find a defendant guilty. Presence alone does not establish a defendant's knowing participation in the crime, even if a person knew about the intended crime in advance and took no steps to prevent it. To find a defendant guilty, there must be proof that the defendant intentionally participated in some fashion in committing that particular crime and had or shared the intent required to commit the crime."

Prosecutors will now have to convince a jury that Aaron Hernandez intentionally played a material role in the killing of Odin Lloyd. That's a big step down from proving he fired the fatal shots, especially since the murder weapon is still missing.

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[Bmore Irish]

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Poor guy, I can't imagine how it feels to be a millionaire who's such an ******* that they blow it all away through their disregard for human life. Rough life.

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[N51_rob]

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Deadspin spells it out: http://deadspin.com/aaron-hernandez-...tha-1562362236

Thanks for the link. The last sentence plus this new "joint venture" confirms what a lawyer friend told me. He thinks that w/o a weapon and the credible testimony of Wallace and/or Ortiz the state was going to have a hell of a time convicting Hernandez. This "lesser" charge makes it easier for them. IMO that isn't justice. Not that I don't think Hernandez in knee deep in this, I just don't like legal smoke and mirrors.

[NDAlum]

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So what's the alternative? I mean you can't force them to testify the truth and if they destroyed the gun you can't use that evidence.

[N51_rob]

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So what's the alternative? I mean you can't force them to testify the truth and if they destroyed the gun you can't use that evidence.

Not sure what the alrenative is. But if there is no statute of limitations on capital murder why did they rush to prosecute with such a weak case? Why not build a stronger case. Given what he have seen from Hernandez he isn't a very smart criminal. He is/was bound to screw up.

If one testifies about destroying the gun and the other can corroborate it, why not go that route. I don't know enough about the law and the intricacies to really go deep, so I maybe just talking out of my ***. It happens more than I would like to admit.

[NDAlum]

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I think they just hit the end of the investigation road. None of the suspects is going to take the stand from what it sounds like.

[wwharton]

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The saga continues

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aaron-hernandez-indicted-on-215621200.html