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  • ggsimmonds
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jan 2009
    • 11235

    #526
    Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

    Originally posted by IlluminatusUIUC
    Sometimes the guarantees kick in at different times. Take a look at Josh Allen's deal: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-...h-allen-25102/



    $100M guaranteed the day he inked the contract, but a remaining $50 million guarantees over the life of the deal, many times year(s) before its actually paid.
    I "understand" it from a contract perspective. I scratch my head because of semantics. Take this part for example:

    2025 Roster Bonus: $25M ($16.5M fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023, paid 5th league day of 2025)

    If for whatever reason he is not on the roster the 5th league day of 2023, he will not see any of that $25M. The only guaranteed money is what is guaranteed at signing.

    That said, I'm missing $10M in his "guaranteed" money. The total guaranteed is $150M, 100 of which is due at signing. That leaves 50:

    $10M of 2024 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2022

    Additional $13.5M of 2024 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023 (10+13.5= 23.5)

    $10.5M of 2025 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2024
    (23.5+10.5 = 34M now)
    2022 Option Bonus: $42.4M (must be exercised 3/16 - 3/20)

    2024 Roster Bonus: $6M (fully guarantees 8/11/2021)
    (34+6= 40M)

    2025 Roster Bonus: $25M ($16.5M fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023, paid 5th league day of 2025)
    (This is where it gets to "wut?" If the 16.5 is being counted as guaranteed money, that puts us over 50. But if its not, we are still sitting at 40)

    TL;DR -- Because of how loose they use "total guaranteed money" and how contracts are built based on 3 years and then restructure, I only pay attention to guaranteed at signing

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    • LambertandHam
      All Star
      • Jul 2010
      • 8008

      #527
      Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

      Originally posted by illwill10
      Myles Jack to the Steelers on a 2 year deal

      Been liking the moves the Steelers have been doing this offseason. Banner got cut too. Great guy, but couldn't get on the field.
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      • p_rushing
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2004
        • 14514

        #528
        Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

        Originally posted by illwill10
        Myles Jack to the Steelers on a 2 year deal
        Originally posted by LambertandHam
        Been liking the moves the Steelers have been doing this offseason. Banner got cut too. Great guy, but couldn't get on the field.
        Not a good move, he isn't a 3-4 LB. He has been bad the last few years at reading plays. Not sure what has been going on but the coaches have their work cutout to fix his head. If he is playing, you will see him guessing run on pass, filling the wrong gap, and get lost in coverage. You'll know it was his fault because he always shows he screwed up with his body language.

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        • LambertandHam
          All Star
          • Jul 2010
          • 8008

          #529
          Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

          Originally posted by p_rushing
          Not a good move, he isn't a 3-4 LB. He has been bad the last few years at reading plays. Not sure what has been going on but the coaches have their work cutout to fix his head. If he is playing, you will see him guessing run on pass, filling the wrong gap, and get lost in coverage. You'll know it was his fault because he always shows he screwed up with his body language.

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          Just put him on a speedy WR crossing the middle and you have a typical Steelers MLB the past couple years
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          • kenp86
            MVP
            • May 2008
            • 2979

            #530
            Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

            Looking like the Browns and Baker are heading for a divorce soon. Has stated Indy is his preferred destination. So say he gets traded to Indy and Watson goes to Atlanta. Does Jimmy G or Ryan get dealt to Cleveland?

            And something was pointed out to me. Tyreek Hill is on Twitter thanking the KC fans. He just trolling or is there something behind that? Something to keep an eye on
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            • slickdtc
              Grayscale
              • Aug 2004
              • 17125

              #531
              Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

              Do the QB shuffle!

              Heard Colts were possibly looking at Gardner Minshew from Philly. I’d take him over Jimmy G and Baker, for a fraction of the price and assets needed to acquire.

              If the Eagles GM Roseman is able to flip Flacco to recoup the pick he traded for Minshew, and then get something even better for Minshew... good stuff.

              QB Factory is firing on all cylinders!
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              Originally posted by Money99
              And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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              • IlluminatusUIUC
                MVP
                • Jan 2010
                • 2671

                #532
                Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                Originally posted by ggsimmonds
                I "understand" it from a contract perspective. I scratch my head because of semantics. Take this part for example:

                2025 Roster Bonus: $25M ($16.5M fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023, paid 5th league day of 2025)

                If for whatever reason he is not on the roster the 5th league day of 2023, he will not see any of that $25M. The only guaranteed money is what is guaranteed at signing.

                Legally yes, but for all practical purposes no. If Josh Allen was cut before that money triggered, the Bills would eat an $80 million dead cap hit, twice as high as his live hit. I can't imagine a scenario that would get the team to turn on him so quickly that they would blow up the entire roster just to unload him. So, in any realistic sense, that money is guaranteed because there's no way to get rid of him before then.


                That said, I'm missing $10M in his "guaranteed" money. The total guaranteed is $150M, 100 of which is due at signing. That leaves 50:

                $10M of 2024 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2022

                Additional $13.5M of 2024 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023 (10+13.5= 23.5)

                $10.5M of 2025 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2024
                (23.5+10.5 = 34M now)
                2022 Option Bonus: $42.4M (must be exercised 3/16 - 3/20)

                2024 Roster Bonus: $6M (fully guarantees 8/11/2021)
                (34+6= 40M)

                2025 Roster Bonus: $25M ($16.5M fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2023, paid 5th league day of 2025)
                (This is where it gets to "wut?" If the 16.5 is being counted as guaranteed money, that puts us over 50. But if its not, we are still sitting at 40)

                You're counting the 2024 roster bonus, which is easy to do as it triggered three years early, the same week he signed the deal. It belongs in the $100 gt'd at signing bucket.


                TL;DR -- Because of how loose they use "total guaranteed money" and how contracts are built based on 3 years and then restructure, I only pay attention to guaranteed at signing

                Restructures only increase the guarantee - it converts un-guaranteed base salary into signing bonus. There's no downside for the player, which is why it can be done without their agreement.
                Bills, Sabres, Illini, Cubs, basically any team that abuses its fanbase and I'm there.

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                • illwill10
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 19822

                  #533
                  Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                  Originally posted by slickdtc
                  Do the QB shuffle!

                  Heard Colts were possibly looking at Gardner Minshew from Philly. I’d take him over Jimmy G and Baker, for a fraction of the price and assets needed to acquire.

                  If the Eagles GM Roseman is able to flip Flacco to recoup the pick he traded for Minshew, and then get something even better for Minshew... good stuff.

                  QB Factory is firing on all cylinders!
                  Exactly. I would imagine something like a conditional 5th that can turn into the a 4th next year. I'd imagine this might be the year he'd try to trade Dillard for something. I believe he is entering the final year of his rookie deal.

                  I'd rather take Gardner if I wasn't sold on Baker or Jimmy G as long term. If I'm going towards the bridge QB route, I'd take Gardner and go after the '23 QB class. But if I wanted best chance to win this year, then Jimmy G.

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                  • kenp86
                    MVP
                    • May 2008
                    • 2979

                    #534
                    Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                    I got it looking like this
                    Watson to Atlanta
                    Baker to Indy
                    Jimmy G to Cleveland
                    Matt Ryan to Seattle
                    Winston to Saints
                    Mariota to Carolina
                    Oakland A's - Seattle Mariners - Detroit Tigers
                    Pittsburgh Steelers - Green Bay Packers
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                    • slickdtc
                      Grayscale
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 17125

                      #535
                      Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                      I can’t make sense of Watson going to ATL. That team is barren, and will be even more so when they trade picks and players for him. They’re in for a long few years.
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                      Originally posted by Money99
                      And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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                      • illwill10
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 19822

                        #536
                        Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                        Originally posted by slickdtc
                        I can’t make sense of Watson going to ATL. That team is barren, and will be even more so when they trade picks and players for him. They’re in for a long few years.
                        With Saints getting a second meeting, it looks like they could be the likely destination. Out of the 4 interested teams, Saints are probably the best chance to win right away. As you said, ATL is years away and that's before you trade the assets required to get Watson. Panthers are probably going to have to give up a key young player like Burns and they are a team that needs their firsts because they aren't a team that's a QB away. Saints still have talent on both sides and solid line. Main issue with Saints will always be cap because they have been kicking the can for the past few years

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                        • reyes the roof
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 11526

                          #537
                          Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                          Originally posted by illwill10
                          Exactly. I would imagine something like a conditional 5th that can turn into the a 4th next year. I'd imagine this might be the year he'd try to trade Dillard for something. I believe he is entering the final year of his rookie deal.

                          I'd rather take Gardner if I wasn't sold on Baker or Jimmy G as long term. If I'm going towards the bridge QB route, I'd take Gardner and go after the '23 QB class. But if I wanted best chance to win this year, then Jimmy G.
                          They should just give them Minshew for nothing after they way they fleeced the Colts on the Wentz deal

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                          • bigbob
                            MVP
                            • Sep 2007
                            • 10471

                            #538
                            Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                            Originally posted by slickdtc
                            I can’t make sense of Watson going to ATL. That team is barren, and will be even more so when they trade picks and players for him. They’re in for a long few years.
                            I think everyone is just jumping on Watson to Atlanta because Shefter was bored when he released them as a sleeper team.

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                            • kenp86
                              MVP
                              • May 2008
                              • 2979

                              #539
                              Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                              Originally posted by bigbob
                              I think everyone is just jumping on Watson to Atlanta because Shefter was bored when he released them as a sleeper team.

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                              Just seen a report that many around the league believe Atlanta is the landing spot for Watson later today. id imagine that a package aroubd Deion Jones/Graddy Garrett plus picks is what itll be. Think Terrell and Pitts are untouchable for Atlanta
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                              • IlluminatusUIUC
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 2671

                                #540
                                Re: 2022 Offseason Thread

                                Originally posted by slickdtc
                                I can’t make sense of Watson going to ATL. That team is barren, and will be even more so when they trade picks and players for him. They’re in for a long few years.
                                He grew up like 10 miles from the stadium and I can see the Falcons needing to recapture some energy from that city - it's in danger of being taken over by the Bulldogs.
                                Bills, Sabres, Illini, Cubs, basically any team that abuses its fanbase and I'm there.

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