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  • Broncos86
    Orange and Blue!
    • May 2009
    • 5505

    #1831
    Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

    IMO, a good coach has his finger on the pulse of the team. If the team is truly behind a guy (beyond what is said to the media), you need to take that into heavy consideration. Players know who gives them the best chance to win. I've been in both situations, as both a coach and a player.

    Let's not forget something here: Fox is cooking largely with McDaniels' ingredients. Ayers and Moreno are not going to live up to being first round picks. I'm an optimist, and I always hope that the Broncos will turn it around and shine bright. But I also understand that reality is that rarely do teams swing from 4-12 to 10-6.

    Regarding Orton: I don't know. Honestly, putting Tebow in there now would be fine. The picks Orton threw on Sunday were 100% on him. Everyone is allowed a bad game, but he just hasn't had a good game yet. And even then, it's not as if Orton is just flat-out terrible. He throws the ball well and, given time, makes good reads. It's just that he lacks that willingness to put the team on his shoulders and say "f it, if nobody's open then I'll score a touchdown myself!" Orton stated he wanted to win-over the fans. The fans don't care about efficiency. They want a QB who is going to command the field and take charge. They want a QB with gusto. That's not Orton.

    As a fan, I know we're in another transition. And I don't come down on coaches when they're coaching another person's team. You don't exalt a coach for winning with another coach's team, and you shouldn't do otherewise for a coach who gets handed a team that needs work and he loses.

    So with that, here are some bright spots for the Broncos:

    Eric Decker: The kid can play, and he's only going to get better.
    Brandon Lloyd: Looking like last year was no fluke. The Broncos will be crazy to let him get away.
    Von Miller: Rookie of the year. Enough said.
    The offensive line: It's getting better every week. This is a YOUNG unit, and no offensive line instantly gels. This time next year, we could be looking at one of the best units in the league.
    The Defense: It's improving. EVERYBODY said our run-defense would be a joke, and we shut down Chris Johnson. Pass defense will improve with some seasoning on Rahim Moore and in next year's draft. To those pointing to the Green Bay game: yeah, that's what happens when the Super Bowl champs and the best QB in the game face up against a secondary that lacks Champ Bailey and is starting second-year players and recent additions.
    The running game: It's getting better, and it'll improve with the O-Line. McGahee looks like a nice addition.


    This year is going to be a year of slow improvement for the Broncos. It's a year where we look for victories in defeat. Don't forget, the lock-out MURDERED teams like the Broncos. Not only were we a team in need of OTAs, we had a brand-new coaching staff that couldn't even evaluate players. Coach Fox went into training camp largely blind. Teams like the Packers and Saints had systems fully installed. Coaches knew what they had and only need to evaluate rookies. Guys like Drew Brees could run an entire practice!

    Give Coach Fox time. There's a reason McDaniels went 6-0 and fell flat. McDaniels used deceit and trickery to fool defenses. Once teams caught on to the ploys, our team suffered. Coach Fox is teaching fundamental football, and you cannot argue against that. It's up to the front office to get Coach Fox the players he needs to execute.

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    • Jonsco28
      Bob Loblaw
      • Sep 2008
      • 1057

      #1832
      Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

      Well said, 86. I agree with everything you mentioned.

      Your statement about Orton is spot on and that's pretty much been my point of contention all along with him. I don't dislike the guy; he just hasn't shown me that he can take control of a game, much less a team. Denver needs that. Not just the team, but the entire city and their fan base.

      When Denver came out and pulled to within four last Sunday, that was the offense I had been waiting to see. There was a little bit of razzle-dazzle and some excitement there. That's been missing. The fact is, they were simply over-matched against a far superior team. I'm glad that game is over, and my hope is they pull it together and come out with a strong showing against San Diego. If they somehow get a win, they have a good chance of putting two wins together and then they have something to build on.

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      • Jonsco28
        Bob Loblaw
        • Sep 2008
        • 1057

        #1833
        Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

        I have a feeling they are going to win today...

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        • Jonsco28
          Bob Loblaw
          • Sep 2008
          • 1057

          #1834
          Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

          In a way...they did win.

          That was a lot of fun to watch. I love the excitement that Tebow brings. I haven't seen that much energy in the stadium since...well, Tebow was the QB. I loved it! They lost, but I still have a smile on my face. It was fun to watch a Bronco game again.

          Props to Fox for making the switch! If it wasn't for that lame personal foul call, I believe Denver pulls it out.

          There is no denying the energy!

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          • Broncos86
            Orange and Blue!
            • May 2009
            • 5505

            #1835
            Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

            Wow, what a finish! Tebow Time! Now they have two weeks to prepare Tebow for the Dolphins.

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            • Jonsco28
              Bob Loblaw
              • Sep 2008
              • 1057

              #1836
              Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

              I'd like to see them just let Tebow be Tebow. The rest will come. You could tell in the first couple of series he was pressing...trying to do as he's been coached...stay in the pocket and go through his reads...and then the shackles came off! He gives defenses so much to worry about.

              Man, that was fun!

              The team just fed off of him; even the defense.

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              • Jonsco28
                Bob Loblaw
                • Sep 2008
                • 1057

                #1837
                Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                If Tebow is making his first start of the season on the road, no better place than in Miami. If I recall correctly, the Dolphins are doing some sort of tribute to Tebow. Very weird, given he plays for the visiting team. It will be like a home game, and it doesn't hurt that he'll have two weeks to prepare.
                Last edited by Jonsco28; 10-09-2011, 10:45 PM.

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                • Broncos86
                  Orange and Blue!
                  • May 2009
                  • 5505

                  #1838
                  Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                  Not to mention, Tebow was getting back up reps since week 1. He hasn't really seen significant practice time. The Miami game will be more telling. Coach Fox can game plan with Tebow in mind, and Tebow can get two solid weeks of reps in.

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                  • wwharton
                    *ll St*r
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 26949

                    #1839
                    Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                    Well looks like it's finally Tebow time. You'd think with the bye coming up and the next game in Miami, this was the plan all along, but I'd hope if the Broncos were winning they wuldn't have planned it out this way. Either way, here we go. Should be interesting. It is amazing how well the team moves with his crazy unorthodox style. Hope he can keep it up.

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                    • kehlis
                      Moderator
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 27738

                      #1840
                      Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                      I'm so sick of the sideshow. I hate turning on ANY media outlet and seeing the discussion of Orton vs. Tebow.


                      My personal thought is that you have to go with Tebow now and cut ties with Orton NOW, not after the season. We know he is gone, do everyone a favor and trade him somewhere for nothing or just cut him. I don't think the two players can be on the same roster at this point for both of their sake.

                      You have to play Tebow the rest of the year to see if you need to draft a QB early next year. I don't see where the debate is.

                      I don't think anyone would say that head to head Tebow is a better QB than Orton, but as I've said before, the franchise used a 1st on him, regardless of who's decision it was, you HAVE to see if he has first round impact.

                      This circus is a disaster to the fault of no one but I just want to see it end.

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                      • wwharton
                        *ll St*r
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 26949

                        #1841
                        Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                        Originally posted by kehlis
                        I'm so sick of the sideshow. I hate turning on ANY media outlet and seeing the discussion of Orton vs. Tebow.


                        My personal thought is that you have to go with Tebow now and cut ties with Orton NOW, not after the season. We know he is gone, do everyone a favor and trade him somewhere for nothing or just cut him. I don't think the two players can be on the same roster at this point for both of their sake.

                        You have to play Tebow the rest of the year to see if you need to draft a QB early next year. I don't see where the debate is.

                        I don't think anyone would say that head to head Tebow is a better QB than Orton, but as I've said before, the franchise used a 1st on him, regardless of who's decision it was, you HAVE to see if he has first round impact.

                        This circus is a disaster to the fault of no one but I just want to see it end.
                        I agree with everything but cutting Orton. I don't think its necessary, even though I don't think it'd be a bad move. They have to start Tebow now but Orton can be a back up. Funny that once again he'll be benched for a late 1st round Qb from Florida.

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                        • kehlis
                          Moderator
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 27738

                          #1842
                          Originally posted by wwharton
                          I agree with everything but cutting Orton. I don't think its necessary, even though I don't think it'd be a bad move. They have to start Tebow now but Orton can be a back up. Funny that once again he'll be benched for a late 1st round Qb from Florida.
                          Don't get me wrong, I like Orton and have no problem with him.

                          My thought is just based on the thought that if the Broncos are to the point of having Orton as a backup, we shouldn't worry about a backup.

                          I just think it's better for all involved to just sever the ties, he's a FA, and it's pretty clear he isn't coming back.

                          I have nothing against, I just think from the bigger picture, everyone would be better off if he was gone.

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                          • Jonsco28
                            Bob Loblaw
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 1057

                            #1843
                            Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                            I don't know that the media circus will ever die down regarding Tebow. It's just the way it is. The Orton vs. Tebow stuff will go away, but the media will continue to scrutinize Tebow at every turn. Meril Hoge was ripping him again today. I do think things will settle down for the team (not to mention Bronco fans) if they just go with Tebow from here on out. Tebow is still going to have some very rough times ahead, and I think Bronco fans realize that. Hopefully Fox doesn't have a short leash with him. I'll say it again....just let Tebow be Tebow. Play to his strengths and see what happens.

                            Fox can't waffle on this once he goes in this direction, and I can't see that there is really any reason not to at this point. Name Tebow the starter and leave it be for the rest of the year unless Tebow is just absolutely dreadful. They definitely have to see what they have before going into the offseason. All the talk about starting Tebow will divide the locker room is bunk. You could see that yesterday. Even the defensive side of the ball was congratulating Tebow. Orton was given the opportunity and he played his way out of it.

                            Now it's Tebow Time!

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                            • TDenverFan
                              MVP
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 3457

                              #1844
                              Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                              What I said in the other thread, I'll say it again here:

                              IMO Orton > Tebow, but Tebow should start. They should see if thye should get a QB of the future, or keep him. If he's bad, Denver should get a high profile QB (Landry Jones, Ryan Lindley, I'm assuming they'll not get Lucky). If he's ok, go for a late round QB (Kellen Moore, Case Keenum, Dan Persa, Chris Lum (Persa and Lum are way longshots, but Persa went to my high school and Lum is the starting QB for the local college, Lehigh, were he leads the FCS in Pass YPG)). If Tebow's a star.... (Unlikely) Then no QB in the draft
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                              • Broncos86
                                Orange and Blue!
                                • May 2009
                                • 5505

                                #1845
                                Re: Official Denver Broncos Thread

                                The difference is that Orton is losing games due to lacking playmaker talent. There have been moments in the past games where Orton could've and should've taken it upon himself. Against Green Bay, we saw Rodgers do it. He ran it, he threw it, he did what he needed to do to make plays. Rivers did it. He threw for TDs, he ran for a TD (and took a WICKED hit in the process!). Fans love that, teammates love that. All 52 guys on S.D. saw that hit and said "hell yeah, that's the guy we follow."

                                In similar situations, Orton has either:

                                a) run for two yards and cowardly slid.
                                b) throw the ball away
                                c) Take a SACK by shuffling INTO a DE.

                                Tebow is not a better pure-passer. But right now, the Broncos don't need a pure passer. They need a playmaker. To think that our defense held S.D to field goals for much of the game, and McGahee had his way in the running game, Orton should've SHINED. And all he could do is panic when a guy merely had a grasp of his jersey.

                                I'm always willing to adjust my POV, and Tebow gives the Broncos a better chance to win. Sunday was proof. We watched Orton stagnate, and Tebow (with rust on him) bring us (almost) back.

                                What's amazing to me is that Orton stated in the offseason his goal was to win-over the fans. And yet he has done the complete opposite by being gutless. We don't want a careful QB who throws the ball away on 3rd and goal from the 3 (with NO defenders between him and the goal!). We want a QB who has the determination to get touchdowns, whether by arm or by foot.
                                Last edited by Broncos86; 10-10-2011, 10:47 PM.

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