Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Jonsco28]

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I get where you are coming from and appreciate your viewpoint. I just didn't think it was necessary. He didn't say anything enlightening that you or I or anyone else didn't already know. His comments had no purpose except to take a shot at Tebow.

Has anyone know if DT was at the voluntary team meetings and conditioning? I heard Manning's interview today, and he mentioned DT, but I didn't get the sense that he was there.

[wwharton]

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I get where you are coming from and appreciate your viewpoint. I just didn't think it was necessary. He didn't say anything enlightening that you or I or anyone else didn't already know. His comments had no purpose except to take a shot at Tebow.

Has anyone know if DT was at the voluntary team meetings and conditioning? I heard Manning's interview today, and he mentioned DT, but I didn't get the sense that he was there.

Don't mean to continue with this pointless discussion (and fully admitting I'm the reason it's still going, lol) but I disagree. You, I and many other rational people didn't hear anything new. But there are MANY people that stood behind the idea that Tebow made that team what it was last year and everyone else was just along for the ride. All of those people that you Broncos fans are happy to have been silenced with Tebow moving to NY. As a fan that just wants to see a successful TEAM, you all were extremely annoyed by the circus. Considering that, can you imagine how an up and coming WR must've felt? Then when it's all over they're still asking him questions about how somebody else made him better when he believes that guy was holding him back?

It's almost like the Chris Rock skit... I'm not saying OJ killed her... but I understand. No, the comment wasn't "necessary"... but I understand. And I don't think any less of him for stepping out of the PC (which is equal to what's "necessary" or not) for a change. Being PC is making Tebow a star. He should earn his stripes like everybody else. I don't hate the kid, I actually hope he lives up to his incredible hype. But I do hate all the work people are putting in to say he has lived up to it and that others are holding him back. I want more people in the know to pull the curtain on it and lets settle in the middle in the real world.

[Broncos86]

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Interesting point made by Colin Cowherd today on ESPN Radio, pointing out that teammates had called Tebow a publicity hound. He agreed, siting Tebow's brother as a strong source for furthering the "Tim Tebow brand." I see where he's coming from. He goes to the Jets instead of the Jaguars because he'll be in the public eye in NY. A press conference for his signing, appearing on TV shows, contests to bid money in order to spend a day with Tim Tebow. All of these things. And, according to Colin Cowherd, these things didn't go unnoticed by Broncos' teammates. I'm sure Thomas was one of those who witnessed this and thought it was something.

The point is, it's plausible that Tim Tebow is certainly contributing to the circus that surrounds him.

I think it's a sign that the media hasn't really taken what Thomas said and run with it. Yeah, they reported it, but you're not really hearing some firestorm because of it. So whatever. I'm just glad Tebow is gone and my team can heal.

[Jonsco28]

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Fair enough, but have you watched every Bronco game? Maybe you have. I love the NFL and I watch a lot of football. If the Broncos are on, that's what I am watching. Every play, every game. As a Bronco fan, I see Demaryius Thomas as an up and coming receiver who really hasn't done anything yet. Casual fans know him from the Steeler game and that's pretty much it. He is not yet a dominant receiver, and I don't know that he has the work eithic to become one. I just think before he goes popping off about something, he ought to look more at what he did. He did drop some key balls that really hurt drives. I even remember him short-arming a throw that Tebow put right there for a touchdown. Not a drop, but he didn't make a play that he should have. He wasn't perfect by any means. Neither was Tebow. I don't see this as Tebow is a nice guy so he should leave him alone. Not at all. I just don't think you throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

We here know that the circus that surrounds Tebow is not because he asks for it. What Tebow did was unconventional and not conducive to what a WR wants, but that's Tebow's game. He took a team that was going nowhere and won the division and a playoff game. Agree or not, Tebow had a lot to do with it. They weren't going to do that with Orton. Maybe Thomas would have been happier catching 20 more balls from Orton and winning only 4 or 5 games.

If everyone agreed, these boards would be boring. Plus, it's still a long five months until football starts again.

[Jonsco28]

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Maybe 'we' here don't see the Tebow circus as something he doesn't ask for...

I've heard things about his brother as well. I always thought it was funny how Tebow is only involved in the national spotlight, never really the local one.

I agree. The media didn't make much out of Thomas's comments. My statement was just that I was disappointed that he did.

So...they signed Stokley again. What do you guys think about that? I've always liked Stokely and think he'll be a good addition. Great slot receiver, but his age is obviously getting up there. He and Manning always killed Denver together. It'll be nice to see them operating with Bronco uniforms on.

[wwharton]

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lol, I went looking for exactly what was said (didn't think it was fair to be so strong in disagreeing with you without the exact words) and I found this from espn.

Tim Tebow connected with Demaryius Thomas on one of the Denver Broncos' most memorable touchdowns in franchise history.

SportsNation: Thomas on Tebow

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But the third-year wide receiver wasn't upset to see Tebow shipped out of Denver to make room for Peyton Manning. Thomas said Thursday in an interview with the 2 Live Stews on 790 The Zone in Atlanta that he prefers playing with a prototypical passing quarterback such as Manning.

"It's a business decision," Thomas said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. "I ain't going to say I was sad because the only thing they remember is that pass. You gotta go back and look at the rest of the games. I wasn't getting no balls and you had to make some of these plays where some players were open and he is not making the throws, but I don't want to talk bad about Tim. But, hey, I am happy we got Peyton."

Thomas, who caught the winning 80-yard touchdown in the Broncos' wild-card win over the Pittsburgh Steelers, finished with 32 catches for 551 yards and four touchdowns in 11 regular-season games last season, but had two catches or less in five of those games. The Broncos struggled in many stretches of the 2011-12 season with Tebow leading the offense.

"You would have people calling him out saying, 'Tim, you gotta make that throw. You gotta read the defenses better,' " Thomas said. "Players on offense trying to get him better."

Thomas also said the considerable coverage Tebow received in the media rubbed some players -- including himself -- the wrong way.

"Everything on ESPN was all about Tim," Thomas said. "That bothered some players, too, because they would say, 'Tim Tebow Time.' I felt like it was a team thing. If it wasn't for the defense most of the time, there wouldn't be no supposed 'Tim Tebow Time.' "

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7807571/denver-broncos-demaryius-thomas-miss-tim-tebow

Pretty much exactly everything I said. I also don't see this as him throwing anyone under the bus. It's a business decision... and one that should prove better for DT's career going forward. That's fact.

Even the comment you just made is more reason I like what DT said, Jonsco. He didn't take a team going nowhere to the playoffs. The Broncos started off 0-4 and I believe finished 0-4 going into the playoffs. There are many other scenarios that could've played out to get them to that record without Tebow at QB. That statement would mean you're giving Tebow credit for all the freak situations like bonehead decisions in the Bears game... or dumb luck like playing teams right when important players got hurt, etc. The defense had to make a ton of plays and/or hold on while the offense got 3 and outs. The running game had to step up and move the chains and WRs were expected to make EVERY play bc they only got one or two looks a game.

Sure, Tebow played a role in the team's success but it wasn't anywhere near as big as the media and Tebow fans make it seem. And I know you're not a Tebow fanatic, but look how you just phrased that. Now imagine saying something like that to Thomas in an interview... that's how I'd expect him to respond.

[wwharton]

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Maybe 'we' here don't see the Tebow circus as something he doesn't ask for...

I've heard things about his brother as well. I always thought it was funny how Tebow is only involved in the national spotlight, never really the local one.

I agree. The media didn't make much out of Thomas's comments. My statement was just that I was disappointed that he did.

So...they signed Stokley again. What do you guys think about that? I've always liked Stokely and think he'll be a good addition. Great slot receiver, but his age is obviously getting up there. He and Manning always killed Denver together. It'll be nice to see them operating with Bronco uniforms on.

I liked Stokley in Baltimore. Just works hard... but man he's gotta be old now. Hopefully his role will be more as a WR coach and to help the guys they have get up to speed with Manning, than as a big time contributor at this age.

[Jonsco28]

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lol, I went looking for exactly what was said (didn't think it was fair to be so strong in disagreeing with you without the exact words) and I found this from espn.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7807571/denver-broncos-demaryius-thomas-miss-tim-tebow

Pretty much exactly everything I said. I also don't see this as him throwing anyone under the bus. It's a business decision... and one that should prove better for DT's career going forward. That's fact.

Even the comment you just made is more reason I like what DT said, Jonsco. He didn't take a team going nowhere to the playoffs. The Broncos started off 0-4 and I believe finished 0-4 going into the playoffs. There are many other scenarios that could've played out to get them to that record without Tebow at QB. That statement would mean you're giving Tebow credit for all the freak situations like bonehead decisions in the Bears game... or dumb luck like playing teams right when important players got hurt, etc. The defense had to make a ton of plays and/or hold on while the offense got 3 and outs. The running game had to step up and move the chains and WRs were expected to make EVERY play bc they only got one or two looks a game.

Sure, Tebow played a role in the team's success but it wasn't anywhere near as big as the media and Tebow fans make it seem. And I know you're not a Tebow fanatic, but look how you just phrased that. Now imagine saying something like that to Thomas in an interview... that's how I'd expect him to respond.

This has become funny on both ends. We just aren't going to see it the same way. Denver actually started 1-1. They lost their last three regular season games. I just had to get that in there!

Yes, dumb luck was also involved and there is a lot of truth in what you are saying. I sat watching the Bears game just speachless. Shaking my head. I'm simply stating that from my point of view as a Bronco fan, I wish he didn't make the comments that he made. I'm not even saying that what he said was inaccurate - just unnecessary IMO. Tebow didn't see the field well at all. It was very frustrating even from a fan's standpoint. His comments were relatively dismissed by the media and everyone but you and I have forgotten about them.

I was (and still am) tired of watching Tebow on ESPN as well. It's over in Denver and it feels good. I enjoyed the ride last year, but I am SO MUCH happier where things are now. Denver just went from being a mediocre NFL sideshow to a legitimate contender. I haven't been this excited about an upcoming season since Cutler was here.

[Broncos86]

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Demaryius Thomas' one issue has been health. That's it. When healthy, he has shown immense playmaking ability. He routinely turned 5 yard catches into massive plays. If he can stay on the field, there's no reason why this kid can't be another Megatron. I'm dead serious on this. The ONLY thing that will prevent that is injury. Nothing else. (And I haven't missed a Broncos game since 1984). If he stays healthy and has Manning feeding him the ball, this could be wicked.

I love the Stokley addition. He's 36 years old (same age as Manning), but will still contribute. Someone like Stokley can still be effective at his age with his skill set because he works the slot. Losing a step won't hurt him as much as a deep threat outside receiver. And even if he has lost too many steps, he's going to be a great mentor and teacher for Decker and Thomas. He can give them both a receiver's point of view for what Peyton Manning wants. This was a brilliant signing by the Broncos to ensure the Manning transition is smooth.

[Jonsco28]

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Totally agree on Stokley.

Health isn't the only issue for Thomas. He is not a very good route runner. He relies mostly on his size and speed. I'd love to see him work hard because he could be an absolute beast. It's not backyard football with Manning. It's all about anticipation and precision. He's got to get better at running routes so he is where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be. Right now now, Thomas has enough to get by and be good. The question is, can he be great?

[Jonsco28]

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The schedule hasn't been released yet, but I heard that Denver is indeed opening up at home Sunday night against the Steelers. I guess there are pros and cons with playing the Steelers early.

[Broncos86]

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Totally agree on Stokley.

Health isn't the only issue for Thomas. He is not a very good route runner. He relies mostly on his size and speed. I'd love to see him work hard because he could be an absolute beast. It's not backyard football with Manning. It's all about anticipation and precision. He's got to get better at running routes so he is where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be. Right now now, Thomas has enough to get by and be good. The question is, can he be great?

IMO, the kid is big and strong enough that he won't need to be a great route runner. Brandon Marshall isn't a great route runner either. Neither was Randy Moss. Some WRs, it just doesn't matter. Put the ball in their area and they will get the ball. He's that kind of a receiver. Manning will hit those back shoulder and deep routes that Tebow continuously missed.

[wwharton]

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Totally agree on Stokley.

Health isn't the only issue for Thomas. He is not a very good route runner. He relies mostly on his size and speed. I'd love to see him work hard because he could be an absolute beast. It's not backyard football with Manning. It's all about anticipation and precision. He's got to get better at running routes so he is where he's supposed to be when he's supposed to be. Right now now, Thomas has enough to get by and be good. The question is, can he be great?

Yeah, expecting Megatron is a stretch for ANY WR. DT still has a ton of work to do. BTW, I responded to your post bc I forgot to respond to the question you asked me in the earlier post. I've watched a good deal of Broncos games, but I've been watching DT since he was at GT. I was one of the few that was behind the pick of him ahead of Bryant. He has the potential to be very, very good... still potential though.

I don't think it matters though, personally. Someone's ranking shouldn't determine how much than can be critical of something/someone. I've heard kickers say things I thought were on point and been upset at things Ray Lewis has said. That's another pet peeve of mine... I think as a coach, it gets to me even more. There's a general feeling that the more talented someone is the more they can get away with saying or doing... and conversely, the less talented the less they can get away with. That shouldn't matter at all.

[Jonsco28]

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Yeah, expecting Megatron is a stretch for ANY WR. DT still has a ton of work to do. BTW, I responded to your post bc I forgot to respond to the question you asked me in the earlier post. I've watched a good deal of Broncos games, but I've been watching DT since he was at GT. I was one of the few that was behind the pick of him ahead of Bryant. He has the potential to be very, very good... still potential though.

I don't think it matters though, personally. Someone's ranking shouldn't determine how much than can be critical of something/someone. I've heard kickers say things I thought were on point and been upset at things Ray Lewis has said. That's another pet peeve of mine... I think as a coach, it gets to me even more. There's a general feeling that the more talented someone is the more they can get away with saying or doing... and conversely, the less talented the less they can get away with. That shouldn't matter at all.

Just to clarify... I didn't mean that in a derogatory manner. I just didn't know how familiar you were with the Broncos. I guess what I was getting at was I watch a lot of football, but I know I am not as familiar with other teams as I am with my own. I can talk to you about Ravens football, but I know you know the team better than me. That's not to say you don't know the Broncos... you obviously do.

I've been to M&T Stadium by the way... very impressive. Too much purple for me, but I have to say that I was very impressed with their home field advantage. It was like a huge shrine to Ray Lewis. I saw them play Denver on Monday night back in 2002. Denver was playing well with Griese, but they got worked. I think Kyle Boller was was the Ravens' QB. I thought it was a sure win. Wrong. Heap had a huge game. They even ran a FG attempt back for a TD to end the half. What a horrible night, making for a real long trip back. Ugh....

Regarding DT (last comment regarding his comments)... We all see it differently. If I was an outsider, I'd probably like what DT said because I would be just as tired of Tebow and hearing a teammate say things that I know are true would be just fine. I know it didn't bother Broncos86 to hear it because he's been saying basically the same thing all along. I don't like negative press regarding my team, but I don't mind it from others. It's entertaining. Denver has had so much media hype surrounding the team over the last three years, and most of it has not been related to winning. What DT said was true, just unnecessary from my point of view.

[wwharton]

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Just to clarify... I didn't mean that in a derogatory manner. I just didn't know how familiar you were with the Broncos. I guess what I was getting at was I watch a lot of football, but I know I am not as familiar with other teams as I am with my own. I can talk to you about Ravens football, but I know you know the team better than me. That's not to say you don't know the Broncos... you obviously do.

I've been to M&T Stadium by the way... very impressive. Too much purple for me, but I have to say that I was very impressed with their home field advantage. It was like a huge shrine to Ray Lewis. I saw them play Denver on Monday night back in 2002. Denver was playing well with Griese, but they got worked. I think Kyle Boller was was the Ravens' QB. I thought it was a sure win. Wrong. Heap had a huge game. They even ran a FG attempt back for a TD to end the half. What a horrible night, making for a real long trip back. Ugh....

Regarding DT (last comment regarding his comments)... We all see it differently. If I was an outsider, I'd probably like what DT said because I would be just as tired of Tebow and hearing a teammate say things that I know are true would be just fine. I know it didn't bother Broncos86 to hear it because he's been saying basically the same thing all along. I don't like negative press regarding my team, but I don't mind it from others. It's entertaining. Denver has had so much media hype surrounding the team over the last three years, and most of it has not been related to winning. What DT said was true, just unnecessary from my point of view.

No worries, Jonesc. I didn't take it that way at all. I hope you didn't think our back and forth meant I felt I know as much or more about the Broncos as you... or even DT for that matter. Your stance is that he hasn't produced enough or proven himself enough to comment on someone else doing things wrong. I think anyone should have the right to honestly answer questions though. I don't like guys pointing fingers to explain a loss or bad performance (and past success does play a role in how acceptable that is), but in just speaking about what happened on the field, I don't have a problem with it.

I also feel you about negative press about your team, but in this case it's not about your team bc Tebow's gone, lol. Seriously though, I think I'd feel more strongly if I were a Broncos fan. My feeling is the media hasn't been talking enough about the Broncos since Tebow came to the team. Now he's gone, and they're still fishing for Tebow info. So I take the comments as "Can we talk about the HOF QB we have now and how that relates to me? Can we move forward?" and if it took a sec of dropping the PC act and being real about what went down to get there, more power to him.

BTW, I was at that game! The Broncos were a better team that year and my boys were supposed to lose. That return by Reed happened shortly after we got to our seats. I'm wondering why everyone is still standing up and I see Ray waving to him and then BOOM. One of the best games I've seen in person (I can imagine you feel a little different about that). M&T is an awesome stadium. I haven't been to nearly enough but I haven't been to one I'd rather the Ravens had so far. Sound system, location, not really a bad seat, etc.