Official Denver Broncos Thread

[wwharton]

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Turner signed with the skins. I have been away for awhile therefore did not get to comment on the week 17 debacle.

The way I see it is that it was a fun and games to suspend Marshall in the preseason. However when it comes to the final game of the season and you must win you put the ego that you brought from NE away. Settle your differences in the off season don't screw it up for the rest of the team and the fans. Just my opinion.

I can tell you from experience that being consistent with punishment of a star and risking it costing you a victory is one of a coach's toughest decisions. Fans especially think only about how not having the best players on the field will hurt their chances at victory, but that mentality is exactly why players like this act the way they do. Keep in mind that guys like Dawkins, Stokely and maybe Champ (leaders on the team) approached McDaniel asking that something be done about the behavior. For the future direction of the program and health of the hierarchy of authority, I think McDaniel has handled every situation this year as well as humanly possible. The team lost Shannahan and Cutler and have had "all of" Marshall for a few games but finished with the exact same record as last year right? Meanwhile they should have their RB of the future, a revamped defense, another extra 1st round pick and are serious about dumping all the bad apples from the bunch. I give McDaniel props for this season.

[kehlis]

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Alright, there clearly seems to be an ego issue going on here.

I was okay with butting heads with Marshall, and to a degree, Cutler (although I still don't like the way that situation worked itself out).

But to alienate Scheffler, Hillis, and now Nolan, three real good guys, there is an issue here that is troubling.

There is no reason for Nolan to leave unless he has a better job in the works, and as far as I can tell, that isn't the case.

We have doubted him before, but of all the personnel the Broncos already stand to lose in the offseason, Nolan stands to be the biggest loss.


I honestly think McDaniels tried to control the defense too much. Yes he is the head coach, but still there is a time to step back and let the DC do his job. McDaniels started with the Patriots as a DB coach so he does have a decent amount of knowledge of how that defense functioned, and I just think he got to be too controlling.

Obviously all speculation on my part but this is getting old and frustrating.

[Hammerhunker]

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Oh boy, I wonder what in the heck is really going on? Nolan was pretty vague with his only comment. Speculation that McD is bringing Pees in. I am at a loss for words.

[kehlis]

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Oh boy, I wonder what in the heck is really going on? Nolan was pretty vague with his only comment. Speculation that McD is bringing Pees in. I am at a loss for words.

Upon further review, it seems like my reaction may have been a bit knee jerk.

There are several reports out there, all of them being vague, but some suggest this was over the fact that McD refused to let the Dolphins interview Nolan for the same position.

If this is true, I am okay with it. He told Shannahan the same thing about Turner (or was it Dennison) but basically said if you want to interview him, you have to interview him for a better position than what he currently has.

The difference is, it is easy to make a better position for either the RB coach or the OL coach. Not so much the DC.

I hope this is true because if that is the case, I couldn't blame McDaniels.


That being said, there still has to be something there if Nolan would want to go to a different team for the same position.

[av7]

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Sounds like Nolan and McDaniels had a disagreement about him interviewing for the same position in Miami. Few places I read about this also think the 2 didn't really agree on other things with their short time together

Martindale and Pees seem to be the 2 popular choices to take over the DC position.

Maybe we'll actually have a DC for more than a year. I'm sure every guy playing on defense thats been here for awhile have grown tired of the yearly changes.

Going to be interesting to see how the run game will be next season with Turner gone and Dennison's oline scheme phased out.

[kehlis]

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This is a pretty interesting little blurb on what we could expect to see from the defense should Pees take over.

It also hints that there might have been a little more to the rift between McDaniels and Nolan than what has been said.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14224891

Nolan preferred to take risks in the pass rush, blitzing players from unexpected places — 10 of the team's 39 sacks came from inside linebackers or defensive backs. Pees likely will play something closer to Belichick's style.

When Belichick springs a surprise on opposing quarterbacks he does it with coverages — moving players into passing lanes from unexpected angles, trying to disrupt a quarterback's timing as he goes through his reads — rather than adding to the rush.

Whoops, didn't realize that was a "premium" story. It's okay to leave the quote up from the story though since it isn't a paid service right?

[Hammerhunker]

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Sounds like Nolan and McDaniels had a disagreement about him interviewing for the same position in Miami. Few places I read about this also think the 2 didn't really agree on other things with their short time together

Martindale and Pees seem to be the 2 popular choices to take over the DC position.

Maybe we'll actually have a DC for more than a year. I'm sure every guy playing on defense thats been here for awhile have grown tired of the yearly changes.

Going to be interesting to see how the run game will be next season with Turner gone and Dennison's oline scheme phased out.

Looks like Studesville will be signed as RB coach, who coached in Buffalo.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14231138

The article I posted a few days back speaks about the change in running philosophy and how the changes in personel will come in the interior. There will be some quality guards available in the free agency. I am more nervous about the possibility of replacing Casey Weigman.

As far as phasing out Dennison's scheme, that actually is the Alex Gibbs scheme. The change may be good for Moreno, who knows, though I think his skill set is more condusive to the Gibbs zone scheme.

[av7]

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This is a pretty interesting little blurb on what we could expect to see from the defense should Pees take over.

It also hints that there might have been a little more to the rift between McDaniels and Nolan than what has been said.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14224891

Whoops, didn't realize that was a "premium" story. It's okay to leave the quote up from the story though since it isn't a paid service right?

Youre fine, its just the premium stuff you need to pay for (ie ESPN and IGN stuff) thats not allowed to be posted on the forums.

Maybe Alphonso Smith can do something in Pees system for all the hype of interceptions we heard about before the season

Looks like Studesville will be signed as RB coach, who coached in Buffalo.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14231138

The article I posted a few days back speaks about the change in running philosophy and how the changes in personel will come in the interior. There will be some quality guards available in the free agency. I am more nervous about the possibility of replacing Casey Weigman.

As far as phasing out Dennison's scheme, that actually is the Alex Gibbs scheme. The change may be good for Moreno, who knows, though I think his skill set is more condusive to the Gibbs zone scheme.

Also with Weigman, its a shame to see Hamilton likely hitting free agency. This line has preferred to pass block over running the ball.. or it just really seems like it the past few years.

A year in the system now, so who knows how it'll be this time around.

Looked at Buffalo's running game stats, fairly similar season stats to ours the past 2 seasons. Only took a year and this team is completely different

Edit- For fun, looked at some mock drafts even though they're pointless

Dez Bryant seems to be the popular pick for the Broncos. Rolando McClain (has he even decided to enter the draft?) has come up a few times also

[Hammerhunker]

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Youre fine, its just the premium stuff you need to pay for (ie ESPN and IGN stuff) thats not allowed to be posted on the forums.

Maybe Alphonso Smith can do something in Pees system for all the hype of interceptions we heard about before the season




Also with Weigman, its a shame to see Hamilton likely hitting free agency. This line has preferred to pass block over running the ball.. or it just really seems like it the past few years.

A year in the system now, so who knows how it'll be this time around.

Looked at Buffalo's running game stats, fairly similar season stats to ours the past 2 seasons. Only took a year and this team is completely different

Edit- For fun, looked at some mock drafts even though they're pointless

Dez Bryant seems to be the popular pick for the Broncos. Rolando McClain (has he even decided to enter the draft?) has come up a few times also

McClain is on all the boards that I see so I assume he has declared. Of course the pull-from-the-hat-pundits will say Bryant but that is taking into account Marshall for sure not being back (most likely). Even then, I still don't see using a #1 on a receiver, but that's me, I will be screaming defense no matter what.

[Hammerhunker]

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http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14255283

The Denver Broncos added more Super Bowl pedigree to their coaching staff with the hiring of Bob Ligashesky, who served the past three seasons as special-teams coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Ligashesky, 46, will be the new tight-ends coach on a Broncos staff headed by Josh McDaniels.
Ben McDaniels, Josh's younger brother, will become the quarterbacks coach, a move that allows Mike McCoy to devote all his time to his offensive-coordinator duties.
The tight-ends job became available when offensive-line coach Rick Dennison left to become the Houston Texans' offensive coordinator and after McDaniels moved Clancy Barone to offensive-line coach.
Barone, an NFL veteran coach and longtime offensive-line coach in college, and newly hired offensive-line assistant Boby Wylie will help the Broncos move away from their zone-blocking system. No zone-blocking run team has reached the Super Bowl, much less won it, since the 1998 Broncos led by Terrell Davis and John Elway.
The Broncos also formally hired Eric Studesville to replace Bobby Turner as their running-backs coach. Studesville had coached running backs previously with the New York Giants and Buffalo Bills. The team is also negotiating a new contract for special-teams assistant Keith Burns. McDaniels is not yet ready to announce his new defensive coordinator to replace Mike Nolan, who left to take a similar position with the Miami Dolphins. Broncos linebackers coach Don Martindale is a candidate.

The Sporting News Today in their Sunday edition mentioned that the Broncos are set to name Tom Martindale their DC. However, earlier in the article it named Bob Wylie (lol, What About Bob)as the new line coach when in fact he has been hired as Assistant Line Coach. To me, this is THE area I am most curious about and will watch closely. Huge change in philosophy.

[Salhus]

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McClain is on all the boards that I see so I assume he has declared. Of course the pull-from-the-hat-pundits will say Bryant but that is taking into account Marshall for sure not being back (most likely). Even then, I still don't see using a #1 on a receiver, but that's me, I will be screaming defense no matter what.

My same thoughts when we took Moreno last year (wtf?)

Can't put anything past McDaniels

[Hammerhunker]

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My same thoughts when we took Moreno last year (wtf?)

Can't put anything past McDaniels

BRIAN ORAKPO! He fell right into the Broncos hands and....crap!

[Salhus]

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BRIAN ORAKPO! He fell right into the Broncos hands and....crap!

yes!

[av7]

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Pees going to Baltimore, looks like Martindale will be the new DC for the Broncos. No clue what to expect with him running the show.

If Dumervil doesn't get signed for whatever reason, I lose a little faith in McDaniels. He needs a deal to get worked out before anyone else on the team imo.

[Hammerhunker]

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Pees going to Baltimore, looks like Martindale will be the new DC for the Broncos. No clue what to expect with him running the show.

If Dumervil doesn't get signed for whatever reason, I lose a little faith in McDaniels. He needs a deal to get worked out before anyone else on the team imo.

100% agree.

As far as Martindale, I like him as the choice for two reasons: One, he is younger than Pees by 14 years. I know that is ageism but Martindale could bring a youthful enthusiasm to the job. That leads to number two: Promoting from within is better for morale and better than saying we have more faith in bringing in an older recycled guy that I used to coach with.

That is my opinion, and again, we shall see.