Wie gets cut again

[The GIGGAS]

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actually neither of these women have proved that they have the skills to play with the men. wie places near last every time and annika was off the cut by quite a few strokes. so until a woman qualifys for a pga event i really dont see why they should be let on because they have proved that they cant compete

Near last? She's been one stroke away from the cut two times.

If one woman makes the cut, then it opens the floodgates for most of the best LPGA players to try and make the jump, and then golf as we know it gets interesting.

[dkgojackets]

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Near last? She's been one stroke away from the cut two times.

If one woman makes the cut, then it opens the floodgates for most of the best LPGA players to try and make the jump, and then golf as we know it gets interesting.

Except no woman does make the cut. Wie hasnt even won an LPGA event yet, so why should she be able to take up a spot on the PGA tour?

[The GIGGAS]

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Except no woman does make the cut. Wie hasnt even won an LPGA event yet, so why should she be able to take up a spot on the PGA tour?

Wie will make a cut in the next two years, and I guarantee you that.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Geeze, you would think that Wie competing against the men is some sort of threat to your own manhood. A few thoughts:

1. She's gotten an invite to play in the Sony Open these past few years because it's basically played at her home course in Hawaii. Since she is pretty much hyped up to be the next big thing in women's golf the Sony Open is more than happy to have her for the publicity boost that she brings to the tourney. It's not a big event and otherwise it's pretty much viewed as a vacation event for lesser tour players and their families. If anything, her presence is good for the event.

2a. Women's sports absolutely suck when compared to men's sports. There is absolutely no other way to express this other than to state that they're an inferior overall product across the board of mainstream sports. They exist because there's a market for them but they're more of a gimmick than something of actual quality. It might be fun to watch a good college basketball team dismantle an NBA team but I doubt the powers to be would ever allow that to happen.

2b. That doesn't mean that there aren't some women who can actually compete on the highest level of the sport - like with the men. This doesn't apply when talking about the more physical sports like football or hockey where they could just too easily be overpowered but when you're talking about finesse sports like golf or billiards then that physical disadvantage is muted. A professional female golfer isn't that much different in overall ability than a male golfer except for the fact that there's a power difference. I don't think the LPGA Tour makes their greens as lightening fast as PGA Tour greens but I think that decision has been made because of the lack of depth on the LPGA Tour. Whatever, moving on. What makes Michelle so interesting is that she actually generates a ton of power because of her size and could potentially have the skill set to compete with the guys. Most female golfers don't average 280+ off the tee with the ability to get over 300 yards on occation but she has that sort of power.

3. She's just 16 years old. Male golfers don't hit their prime until they're in the late-20s and female golfers seem to peak in their mid-20s. The first poster who seems to demand results by the time she is 18 or 19 is something of a nutjob. Given her current skill she has a pretty good shot of being able to get it done by then but if you really want to see what she's capable of doing then wait a decade. She's just that young.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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Near last? She's been one stroke away from the cut two times.

If one woman makes the cut, then it opens the floodgates for most of the best LPGA players to try and make the jump, and then golf as we know it gets interesting.

Most of the LPGA isn't capable against playing against the men. Anika might be able to do it on some of the shorter courses but she would be eaten alive on the tougher/longer tracks against the Tigers and Vijays of the world. Michelle might be a little more competative across the board than Anika someday because of her length but other than those two there aren't many women who are consistent enough to survive against the men. There won't be any floodgates to burst because there isn't any flood of female talent. There's pretty much the top few and then a pile of junk.

Except no woman does make the cut. Wie hasnt even won an LPGA event yet, so why should she be able to take up a spot on the PGA tour?

She was given a spot by the sponsor of the event. If you can think of a better marketing ploy for the Sony Open then feel free to contact Sony and let them know how you plan on getting people to watch.

So then guys with lesser skills to make their leagues should be allowed to play in women's leagues?

No, they shouldn't be allow to do that. The existence of a real league and then a women's league isn't any sort of monument to justice. It's just a way to sell more golf, basketball, and whatever other sports women try to play. Thanks for the laugh though - it's always fun to see someone who still believes life is fair and just. Maybe I'm just jaded.

[fishepa]

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I'd love to watch her shoot a 90+ in a major.

[heelsman22]

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I just don't see why she gets a free pass to play in some of the men's tournaments. Sure she is supposed to have a ton of potential, but she has yet to live up to the hype in any tournament, women or mens. She should wait until she can actually play well to start playing in the men's tournaments or else she will be embarassed over and over again.

[mike06]

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2b. That doesn't mean that there aren't some women who can actually compete on the highest level of the sport - like with the men. This doesn't apply when talking about the more physical sports like football or hockey where they could just too easily be overpowered but when you're talking about finesse sports like golf or billiards then that physical disadvantage is muted. A professional female golfer isn't that much different in overall ability than a male golfer except for the fact that there's a power difference. I don't think the LPGA Tour makes their greens as lightening fast as PGA Tour greens but I think that decision has been made because of the lack of depth on the LPGA Tour. Whatever, moving on. What makes Michelle so interesting is that she actually generates a ton of power because of her size and could potentially have the skill set to compete with the guys. Most female golfers don't average 280+ off the tee with the ability to get over 300 yards on occation but she has that sort of power.

3. She's just 16 years old. Male golfers don't hit their prime until they're in the late-20s and female golfers seem to peak in their mid-20s. The first poster who seems to demand results by the time she is 18 or 19 is something of a nutjob. Given her current skill she has a pretty good shot of being able to get it done by then but if you really want to see what she's capable of doing then wait a decade. She's just that young.

2a- power is a massive difference. not just with the fact of distance, but the ability to shape shots and hit those long bunker/thick rough shots (and all of the good courses have disgustingly thick rough).
3- most male golfers make a solid appearance around or before the age of 20 on the pga tour. and im mainly saying that michelle must make a cut by 18-19 to impress me a) because she is supposed to be this prodigy and if she is as good as the hype she should have no problem doing so b) because she plays in basically the worst PGA tournaments and even the asian tour tourneys with pretty terrible fields (in comparison to a usual pga tourney) and easy courses)

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I just don't see why she gets a free pass to play in some of the men's tournaments. Sure she is supposed to have a ton of potential, but she has yet to live up to the hype in any tournament, women or mens. She should wait until she can actually play well to start playing in the men's tournaments or else she will be embarassed over and over again.

That 68 she put up on friday was increadibly embarrassing.

And once again, she got a free pass because it got people to watch and talk about the tournament who probably wouldn't have otherwise. Great marketing.

[Dallasin2K3]

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This doesn't apply when talking about the more physical sports like football or hockey where they could just too easily be overpowered but when you're talking about finesse sports like golf or billiards then that physical disadvantage is muted. A professional female golfer isn't that much different in overall ability than a male golfer except for the fact that there's a power difference.

I'm sorry, but there is no way that's true, at all. Billiards, maybe. Golf, two different worlds. The very best female golfers don't even make the cut in the men's events. No one can, in their right mind, tell me that there is "not much difference in ability between female and male golfers". They have a ladies' tour for a reason, and that reason is because if there was just one tour, there would be no women on it.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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2a- power is a massive difference. not just with the fact of distance, but the ability to shape shots and hit those long bunker/thick rough shots (and all of the good courses have disgustingly thick rough).

Michelle has the power to compete with the big boys and that's why she's getting the hype. Anika on the other hand pretty much has Fred Funk power, which is to say not much, but I'm convinced she could survive on some of the shorter PGA courses.

Also, women's swings are evolving as of late away from being modified versions of a men's swing into something that actually is designed to make use of their bodies and weight distribution to produce power they couldn't otherwise so we should see a few more women with real power in coming years.

3- most male golfers make a solid appearance around or before the age of 20 on the pga tour. and im mainly saying that michelle must make a cut by 18-19 to impress me a) because she is supposed to be this prodigy and if she is as good as the hype she should have no problem doing so b) because she plays in basically the worst PGA tournaments and even the asian tour tourneys with pretty terrible fields (in comparison to a usual pga tourney) and easy courses)

She shot a 68 yesturday. She might have preceeded it with a 79, which is awful, but if she's capable of shooting a 68 one day then she's capable of stringing it together with a similar score at some point. Not all male golfers make a splash before hitting the tour in their 20s. I think that's more of a rarity than the rule but we just always hear about the young guys when they make it into a tourney. There are a lot of tour pros who went to college and tried to qualify afterward either through Q-school or by working their way up through the Nike/Buy.com/Hooters/Whatever Tour.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I'm sorry, but there is no way that's true, at all. Billiards, maybe. Golf, two different worlds. The very best female golfers don't even make the cut in the men's events. No one can, in their right mind, tell me that there is "not much difference in ability between female and male golfers". They have a ladies' tour for a reason, and that reason is because if there was just one tour, there would be no women on it.

Half the guys who enter every tournament every week don't make the cut. Anika and Michelle have come close in a handful of attempts the past few years. The ridiculously low sample size that these two have had doesn't make a strong argument for them not being able to compete. It's like watching a young pitcher blow up in his first couple of starts and just giving up on him despite his stuff.

[dales]

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I have a serious question. Can somebody tell me the last tournament that Michelle Wie won...against anybody?

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I have a serious question. Can somebody tell me the last tournament that Michelle Wie won...against anybody?

She won the 2003 Women's Amateur Public Links.

In 2005 her LPGA Major Tournament finishes were:
Nabisco Championship - T14th
US Women's Open - T23rd
LPGA Championship - 2nd
Women's British Open - T3rd

Her 2005 LPGA Tour finishes were:
SBS Open - T2nd
Evian Masters - T2nd
Samsung World Championship 19th

Not exactly slouchy.

[dkgojackets]

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She won the 2003 Women's Amateur Public Links.

In 2005 her LPGA Major Tournament finishes were:
Nabisco Championship - T14th
US Women's Open - T23rd
LPGA Championship - 2nd
Women's British Open - T3rd

Her 2005 LPGA Tour finishes were:
SBS Open - T2nd
Evian Masters - T2nd
Samsung World Championship 19th

Not exactly slouchy.

Not exactly winning.

Again, I dont have a problem with deserving women trying their hand at the mens tour (like Annika). Wie hasnt proven anything yet.