Wie gets cut again

[mike06]

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So should those mid-range tour pros just pack their bags and go home since they'll probably never win anything and just make a few million dollars over the course of their career?

Also, just to restate what seems to be so easily glossed over around here: Michelle Wie posted a 68 on friday. She's 16. She did it under condition equal to those that the men faced that day. After a while it gets awfully hard to look past the facts to get to the rhetoric.

Actually the mid range tour pros are usually the ones who end up leading a major. Every year one or two of those nobodys come up in the big events to challenge the best. Something that michelle does not yet have the talent to do

And that 68 friday was impressive ill admit, but take into account she had 0 pressure on her as her day was basically over before she started(unless she shot -7 which wwas NOT going to happen), and it was the 2nd lowest scoring day of the tourney. Oh and did i forget to mention that this was her HOME COURSE! if you cant post a round of 2 under at your home course every once in awhile then you shouldnt be allowed on the pga tour (unless of course your home course is INCREDIBLY difficult). being at your home course should probably knock off a few storked from your score. i know myself that i would play people who are better than me skillwise at my home course and feel confident that i could beat them, people who anywhere else would destroy me

[ComfortablyLomb]

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There's some sort of perception around here that there is a great advantage to playing on your home course in golf. This isn't basketball or football. With the quality of caddies and preparation that tour pros have it just doesn't matter much if at all.

[nkhera1]

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I didn't watch her take a single shot at this past weeks Sony Open. I haven't watched her play in a tournament since her first exemption to the Sony. She doesn't interest me as a golfer. I am no more likely to follow a tournament because she is playing in it.

I bet you more people were interested in this tournament than a tournament without her with the same field.

[nkhera1]

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There's some sort of perception around here that there is a great advantage to playing on your home course in golf. This isn't basketball or football. With the quality of caddies and preparation that tour pros have it just doesn't matter much if at all.

Agreed most people are pretty prepared for the course anyways. Its not like Wie has many advantages that the other don't just becuase she played at a course.

[mike06]

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Agreed most people are pretty prepared for the course anyways. Its not like Wie has many advantages that the other don't just becuase she played at a course.

i agree somewhat, its not like she had a huge advantage, but it is definately an advantage in golf. whoever stated before that it wasnt has ovbiously never played the game or is completely ignorant on the topic. how can playing on your home course NOT be an advantage, it just makes no sense...

[ComfortablyLomb]

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i agree somewhat, its not like she had a huge advantage, but it is definately an advantage in golf. whoever stated before that it wasnt has ovbiously never played the game or is completely ignorant on the topic. how can playing on your home course NOT be an advantage, it just makes no sense...

How can you possibly say something like this and throw the ignorance card around without somewhere in your presence an irony detector going off? You don't know me, you don't know how much golf I play, and you don't know how good I am at the game. All you know is the position I've stated on the subject and the reasons that I've given for that position. Since you choose not to address those points but rather to attack me personally I can't come to any other conclusion other than that your position is backed up by little more than a vague notion in the back of your head that tells you I'm wrong. "No, that can't be right, it's illogical! This poster doesn't know what he's talking about!" Thanks Spock. There are benefits to playing on your home course the same way that there are negatives. Since I can assume you pretty much have a grasp of the value of the benefits I'll stick with portraying the negatives. The primary being that because the course is set up differently than usual it's easy to be tricked into playing shots that you're used to instead of ones that are correct for the setup. Maybe you need a full evaluation of the benefits vs. the disadvantages but the fact of the matter is that whatever benefit she does have on her home course is really negligable in the grander scheme of things. Now whether or not this makes sense to you really shouldn't have an effect on your opinion of my knowledge of golf, experience, or skill level. And yet for some reason it does. That my friend, does not make any sense.

Edit - Oh, and how do you feel about the experience returning competitors have at Wailae? A number of tour pros play that course every year. Do you really think they know it any less well than does Wie?

[nkhera1]

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i agree somewhat, its not like she had a huge advantage, but it is definately an advantage in golf. whoever stated before that it wasnt has ovbiously never played the game or is completely ignorant on the topic. how can playing on your home course NOT be an advantage, it just makes no sense...

I never said that it didn't give her an advantage. I said that the other players are so meticulous these days that they also know the courses pretty well especially becuase they play them before tournaments so I would think they know about as much as Michelle Wie does. Its not like they just come to a tournament the night before and tee it up the next morning.

[dales]

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Its not like they just come to a tournament the night before and tee it up the next morning.

Not unless you're Carlos Franco.

[mike06]

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How can you possibly say something like this and throw the ignorance card around without somewhere in your presence an irony detector going off? You don't know me, you don't know how much golf I play, and you don't know how good I am at the game. All you know is the position I've stated on the subject and the reasons that I've given for that position. Since you choose not to address those points but rather to attack me personally I can't come to any other conclusion other than that your position is backed up by little more than a vague notion in the back of your head that tells you I'm wrong. "No, that can't be right, it's illogical! This poster doesn't know what he's talking about!" Thanks Spock. There are benefits to playing on your home course the same way that there are negatives. Since I can assume you pretty much have a grasp of the value of the benefits I'll stick with portraying the negatives. The primary being that because the course is set up differently than usual it's easy to be tricked into playing shots that you're used to instead of ones that are correct for the setup. Maybe you need a full evaluation of the benefits vs. the disadvantages but the fact of the matter is that whatever benefit she does have on her home course is really negligable in the grander scheme of things. Now whether or not this makes sense to you really shouldn't have an effect on your opinion of my knowledge of golf, experience, or skill level. And yet for some reason it does. That my friend, does not make any sense.

Edit - Oh, and how do you feel about the experience returning competitors have at Wailae? A number of tour pros play that course every year. Do you really think they know it any less well than does Wie?

ok thats fair i apologize for calling you ignorant on the topic that was uncalled for. true i dont know your level of play, how often you play, or even if you do play so i should not have questioned your knowledge of the game

but im just making my point there definately is an advantage to playing your home course, no ifs and or buts about it. the setup really isnt much different, they may move the tees back and dry out the greens a bit but thats usually about it, and im sure she practices from odd tee positions anyways it would make sense to do so. but yeah i know what your saying, all of the pros know the course pretty well just from the week of practice and the caddies evaluation of EVERYTHING about the course. but there definately is an advantage when you know how the rough plays in all areas, how the bunkers play at different times, subtle breaks in the green that others may not be sure of, deceptive wind gusts in certain areas etc. im not saying its a big advantage like you should always win when you play your home course but it definately helps you cant deny that...

[ComfortablyLomb]

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but im just making my point there definately is an advantage to playing your home course, no ifs and or buts about it. the setup really isnt much different, they may move the tees back and dry out the greens a bit but thats usually about it, and im sure she practices from odd tee positions anyways it would make sense to do so. but yeah i know what your saying, all of the pros know the course pretty well just from the week of practice and the caddies evaluation of EVERYTHING about the course. but there definately is an advantage when you know how the rough plays in all areas, how the bunkers play at different times, subtle breaks in the green that others may not be sure of, deceptive wind gusts in certain areas etc. im not saying its a big advantage like you should always win when you play your home course but it definately helps you cant deny that...

That's the thing though. The rough is jacked up so it isn't playing like it usually does and the greens are much faster than usual. If she tries to play the course like she usually does in these two areas then she'll be misplaying it. Also, tour pros are pretty much great to phenomenal bunker players across the board and I don't see Wailai's traps as the type that could ever deceive them. It's a resort course so they're easy traps.