Actual Golf: General Tourney discussion

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Yep, Barkley is playing at their pro-am. And rumors he could be paid up to 75M a year to broadcast over there.

This is a joke he needs to stick to BB.

[bigkev]

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This is a joke he needs to stick to BB.

He has been used as a golf broadcaster for special events, starting with Tiger vs Phil match play. That's what LIV want from him.

[pietasterp]

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Feherty is worth the price of admission. Someone else made this suggestion, but HBO or some streaming service picking up the LIV events, mic'ing up all players for all rounds, and letting Barkley and Feherty run wild and completely uncensored could honestly be a pretty entertaining way to spend some time watching golf. It's not the PGA Tour, as anyone and everyone would acknowledge, but as 3.5 hrs of entertainment? I feel like it wouldn't be bad.

[bigkev]

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Bubba Watson is going to LIV.

[scagwi]

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Bubba Watson is going to LIV.

The problem for the PGA continues to grow here..

It seems like this trickle of more folks going over is never ending

[pietasterp]

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I heard/read somewhere that LIV is actually turning away top-50 guys now, and that some of the guys that previously said no to LIV are coming back and finding significantly reduced offers. Maybe it's all just smoke and BS from LIV sources, but I think it's pretty clear at this point that this is not something that is just going to go away in a year or two.

It also shows that the PGA Tour and Jay Monahan absolutely did the wrong thing in going to war with LIV when it was never necessary (or smart). They should have found a way to work LIV into the 'dead' season for the PGA - e.g. Sept-through-Jan - and ask them to hold their events during that time frame, in exchange for not dragging both sides through the courts and public media battles. This whole thing has been a disaster in crisis management from day 1 and even if the PGA Tour ultimately prevails (whatever that means), this whole episode suggests there is a lack of leadership at the top of the tour.

[scagwi]

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I heard/read somewhere that LIV is actually turning away top-50 guys now, and that some of the guys that previously said no to LIV are coming back and finding significantly reduced offers. Maybe it's all just smoke and BS from LIV sources...

How do we know the "sources" there aren't from the PGA?


Agree with your overall post for sure.

The whole thing is just a mess and a major bummer on the fan/viewers side of things.

I don't know how torn up we have to get here before they both sit down and hash out something that works. Fracturing the whole sport into disparate leagues is ultimately bad for everyone

(other than the guys cashing out with generational money right now I guess)

[kehlis]

Actual Golf: General Tourney discussion

How do we know the "sources" there aren't from the PGA?


Agree with your overall post for sure.

The whole thing is just a mess and a major bummer on the fan/viewers side of things.

I don't know how torn up we have to get here before they both sit down and hash out something that works. Fracturing the whole sport into disparate leagues is ultimately bad for everyone

(other than the guys cashing out with generational money right now I guess)

I’ve seen it from multiple sources but it makes sense, the tour on a week in/week out basis is only a field of 48 so if you keep adding people, some have to be dropped and they are running out of people that don’t have significant buyouts to just remove them now.

In the story I read - the above were from quotes from those within the LIV.

They’ve also stated that starting next year they are going to go to a more traditional four round tournament (while keeping shotgun starts) in hopes of getting world rankings for the players.

For longevity if the league they are also introducing a relegation system within the coming years to bring in new tour members and seeing players relegated out.

The overall goal over time is to turn a profit and the initial fees and costs are being considered necessary start up costs to get where they want to be eventually. (I’m sure every start up would love their start up budget).


Also - I don’t think it would make sense for the PGA tour to “leak” news that more if their players tried to leave but were turned away. That does nothing for the PGA and just further promotes the LIV.

[scagwi]

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Also - I don’t think it would make sense for the PGA tour to “leak” news that more if their players tried to leave but were turned away. That does nothing for the PGA and just further promotes the LIV.

Slightly disagree here

I could see that spun to be that "the well has dried up"... "LIV closing the doors/pulling up the roof ladder already....don't put your PGA career in jeopardy, etc" .."see...they aren't in this for the long haul, etc"

[pietasterp]

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I actually agree w/ both of you above. I think this whole thing is so wacky and convoluted now that I could see either side resorting to leak/whisper tactics to try to sabotage on one side or the other. Just a mess all around.

On the plus side, there has been a lot of golf in the news the last few months!

[scagwi]

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I actually agree w/ both of you above. I think this whole thing is so wacky and convoluted now that I could see either side resorting to leak/whisper tactics to try to sabotage on one side or the other. Just a mess all around.

On the plus side, there has been a lot of golf in the news the last few months!

Agreed -- it's really hard to know here.

Sometimes tactics get super strange and people starting flooding the zone with all sorts of stuff that doesn't appear to make much sense.

All this NCAA FB conference cloak and dagger and back stabbing and publicly BS'ing, etc, etc --- it's reopened my eyes to just how ruthless this sports business (and all business of course) gets.

[bigkev]

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And when we thought it couldn't get much uglier...

Davis Love III claims golfers could go on 'major strike' to force out Saudi rebels

https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/davis-love-iii-claims-golfers-183240249.html

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Some common sense. LIV refused to meet the basketball analyst's demands to be made whole.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

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Bubba Watson is going to LIV.

Do you want to watch an Old Timer's Game every week? So far you got maybe half dozen guys playing LIV who are capable of winning a real golf tournament on their roster now.

[dubcity]

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Do you want to watch an Old Timer's Game every week? So far you got maybe half dozen guys playing LIV who are capable of winning a real golf tournament on their roster now.

To be fair, the older guys pull ratings. I think golfers' popularity actually increase the longer they stick around. I'd say even someone like Rory McElroy is more popular now than he was 10 years ago when he was winning majors. Bubba and Phil are as popular as any golfers out there.