PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

None of us really know what Tiger's influence is specifically, as we don't work for 2K and aren't part of the dev team.

But this YouTube interview with Shooter McGavin, which is meant to be funny for the most part, does address the "Executive Director" thing just a bit, starting here:

https://youtu.be/YDcdmAGi-qc?t=86

He talks about wanting to create a game his kids would like, using it as a way to connect the next generation of kids to the game of golf, how he wants to make it fun, etc.

Again, we don't know specifics or anything, but it does seem he is involved and has a "vision" for the game and what he wants it to be.

Yeah, the no mo-cap thing is odd...and it's still the same devs and studio making the game who made 2K21 and all that. But Tiger is going to have an impact here in some way, shape, or form.

[scagwi]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

We don't know = "we don't know"

No reason to assume very little involvement by Tiger any more than there's reason to assume "massive involvement"

And, frankly, anything that comes out in a marketing context is "just that".

"wants a game to introduce the younger generation to the sport" is all marketing talk that doesn't imply anything about his personal level of involvement.

It is safe to assume that a billionaire has many things on his mind all the time and "taking time to work on a video game" is probably down the list a bit.

If I had to wager -- they have a direct line to him at times and with limitations. The largest part of this relationship is his likeness and branding caché

[VoltSwoosh]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

None of us really know what Tiger's influence is specifically, as we don't work for 2K and aren't part of the dev team.



But this YouTube interview with Shooter McGavin, which is meant to be funny for the most part, does address the "Executive Producer" thing just a bit, starting here:

https://youtu.be/YDcdmAGi-qc?t=86

He talks about wanting to create a game his kids would like, using it as a way to connect the next generation of kids to the game of golf, how he wants to make it fun, etc.



Again, we don't know specifics or anything, but it does seem he is involved and has a "vision" for the game and what he wants it to be.



Yeah, the no mo-cap thing is odd...and it's still the same devs and studio making the game who made 2K21 and all that. But Tiger is going to have an impact here in some way, shape, or form.

I believe Tigers BIGGEST impact will be in Walmart when people see his image on the front.

I doubt he has many hours poured into this game as far as EP.

Most of it’s all marketing material.


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[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

I do not disagree at all that his biggest impact is literally being on the cover, and being playable in-game. No doubt.

And again, we have no idea, one way or the other, how much he's working on it. That said, we do know he is doing something, and does have a vision for it - per his own words.

So it seems like it's just a bit inaccurate to say we, the video game forum frequenters at Operation Sports, are as much of an Executive Director on the game as TW is. However, maybe they do need to bring in some of us here...haha

[VoltSwoosh]

PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

I do not disagree at all that his biggest impact is literally being on the cover, and being playable in-game. No doubt.

And again, we have no idea, one way or the other, how much he's working on it. That said, we do know he is doing something, and does have a vision for it - per his own words.

So it seems like it's just a bit inaccurate to say we, the video game forum frequenters at Operation Sports, are as much of an Executive Director on the game as TW is. However, maybe they do need to bring in some of us here...haha

We WILL all know just how many TW fingerprints are on this game come October, the verdict will be out.

If it’s a spectacular improvement and even has some old EA vibes to it, We know TW did invest a lot of time to the game. And they carried out his vision.

But if it’s 2K21 with caddies, TopGolf and a few other fixes/improvements, we will know it was mostly marketing by 2K.


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[ChaseB]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

Yes, he said some pros, like Morikawa, were mo-capped, but not all. And Tiger was one he specifically said was not mo-capped. I wonder if it had to do with his injury and such. But yeah, it does seem odd that TW, the big selling point of 2K23, would not have his swing captured and used in the game.

My guess is it was definitely an injury thing since they did Morikawa last year, and Tiger was not in the best place then.

Also I wouldn't take the leaderboards thing one way or another. I called it out in the article, but they were forthcoming about everything I asked. So I don't think it's like "acting dumb" or whatever sinister stuff some of you are putting on it is the right read. They either may not have known, or I simply didn't ask the right people, or it maybe isn't fixed. But I don't think it's some sort of distraction campaign going on here, and I don't think it's right to assume it's not fixed -- at least not based on my article.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

My guess is it was definitely an injury thing since they did Morikawa last year, and Tiger was not in the best place then.

Also I wouldn't take the leaderboards thing one way or another. I called it out in the article, but they were forthcoming about everything I asked. So I don't think it's like "acting dumb" or whatever sinister stuff some of you are putting on it is the right read. They either may not have known, or I simply didn't ask the right people, or it maybe isn't fixed. But I don't think it's some sort of distraction campaign going on here, and I don't think it's right to assume it's not fixed -- at least not based on my article.

I do hope it's fixed...and I hope that you're correct in that it was just the wrong people to answer the question or something like that.

But the response given, as you mentioned in the article, is a cause of concern. It was something that's been discussed at length on multiple forums (including both HB's and 2K's, as well as places like OS and TGCTours), something I discussed via Twitter personally with one of their NextMakers a long time ago (who said he'd pass the issue along to the devs), and something 2K Support was made aware of repeatedly, where they said that the issue was being worked on.

To hear that the dev's response to the question was a "we don't understand" just comes off quite strangely and was not what I expected - or wanted - to hear.

I am sure I am jumping to doom and gloom scenarios, but since it wasn't fixed in 2K21 at all, and 2K23 is starting off with a couple of the devs having no idea what was meant by the glitched leaderboards...I don't really know how else to take it, to be honest.

[scagwi]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

I do hope it's fixed...and I hope that you're correct in that it was just the wrong people to answer the question or something like that.

But the response given, as you mentioned in the article, is a cause of concern. It was something that's been discussed at length on multiple forums (including both HB's and 2K's, as well as places like OS and TGCTours), something I discussed via Twitter personally with one of their NextMakers a long time ago (who said he'd pass the issue along to the devs), and something 2K Support was made aware of repeatedly, where they said that the issue was being worked on.

To hear that the dev's response to the question was a "we don't understand" just comes off quite strangely and was not what I expected - or wanted - to hear.

I am sure I am jumping to doom and gloom scenarios, but since it wasn't fixed in 2K21 at all, and 2K23 is starting off with a couple of the devs having no idea what was meant by the glitched leaderboards...I don't really know how else to take it, to be honest.

I just honestly don't know how a developer of this series could not have ever heard about the scoreboard issues.

Unless they just bury their head in the sand (not a pot bunker of course), and don't read anything being said about the game across several forums ... it just doesn't make any sense

Hopefully it was just really catching them off guard and they responded in a very less than ideal way in the moment.

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

I do hope it's fixed...and I hope that you're correct in that it was just the wrong people to answer the question or something like that.

But the response given, as you mentioned in the article, is a cause of concern. It was something that's been discussed at length on multiple forums (including both HB's and 2K's, as well as places like OS and TGCTours), something I discussed via Twitter personally with one of their NextMakers a long time ago (who said he'd pass the issue along to the devs), and something 2K Support was made aware of repeatedly, where they said that the issue was being worked on.

To hear that the dev's response to the question was a "we don't understand" just comes off quite strangely and was not what I expected - or wanted - to hear.

I am sure I am jumping to doom and gloom scenarios, but since it wasn't fixed in 2K21 at all, and 2K23 is starting off with a couple of the devs having no idea what was meant by the glitched leaderboards...I don't really know how else to take it, to be honest.

That really wasn't a good look for them, HB Studios, and 2K. I would have thought they all would have been at least briefed on the scoreboard issue and have pat answer for it when it comes up. The fact that they didn't anticipate a question like this is just as concerning for me as the way the responded it it.

In my case, I never played the career mode in 2K21 long enough to notice it, as it felt like I was just playing against a statistical array of bell curve scores, and not AI modeled players, amassing their scores out shot-by-shot, based on their player attributes. Not being able to play with another player mode in turn based or asynchronous play during a tournament round took all the incentive out of playing career mode for me.

I'm wondering how extensive your playing companions options are going to be in 2K23's Career mode? I'd guess that you can play along with any of the player models. It would be nice to play along with the featured pro who is closest to you in the standings in the final two rounds.

I'm wondering if the non featured pros names are going to be able to be used on the leaderboard in career mode? I'd like to have the option to play along with an avatarless pro's ghost ball in asynchronous mode.

[countryboy]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

They mentioned that there are 20 real courses at launch with the game. I believe that 2k21 had 15, so if those 15 are again in 2k23 and with the announcement of St.Georges and Renaissance Golf Club, I wonder what the other 3 are?

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

They mentioned that there are 20 real courses at launch with the game. I believe that 2k21 had 15, so if those 15 are again in 2k23 and with the announcement of St.Georges and Renaissance Golf Club, I wonder what the other 3 are?

2K21 launched with these 15:

Atlantic Beach Country Club
East Lake Golf Club
Innisbrook Resort and Golf Club - Copperhead Course
Quail Hollow Club
Riviera Country Club
TPC Boston
TPC Deere Run
TPC Louisiana
TPC River Highlands
TPC San Antonio
TPC Sawgrass
TPC Scottsdale
TPC Southwind
TPC Summerlin
TPC Twin Cities

Then added two for free, one each when a Clubhouse Pass season dropped, to make it 17:

Detroit Golf Club
Bay Hill Club and Lodge

So, if all 17 are back, and there are three new ones...perhaps that's it?

Many of these have been visible in the trailers...I know I've seen Riviera, Scottsdale, Sawgrass, Bay Hill, Louisiana, Deere Run, the Copperhead Course, San Antonio, East Lake. Plus the three new ones.

I will say...and this is just me getting hopeful...a 2K employee in a Twitch stream chat a little while back did make it clear that EA did NOT have exclusive rights to Pebble Beach, despite having exclusive rights to the majors. So do with that what you will...it may mean nothing, or it could mean something...

Personal thoughts - I would not be shocked if they somehow managed to get Pebble Beach and Torrey Pines, considering Tiger is a big part of this game. Not to mention, they are annual stops on the PGA Tour.

[countryboy]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

Pebble Beach is a course I would love to have in the game.

I forgot about the 2 DLC courses, so by my count using the 17 from 2k21 and the two mentioned as new thus far, there is one not accounted for, if 20 is indeed the number.

So now I'm going to let myself dream the one course "unknown" is Pebble Beach

[MrArlingtonBeach]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

Pebble Beach is a course I would love to have in the game.

I forgot about the 2 DLC courses, so by my count using the 17 from 2k21 and the two mentioned as new thus far, there is one not accounted for, if 20 is indeed the number.

So now I'm going to let myself dream the one course "unknown" is Pebble Beach

Three have been mentioned as new adds to 2K23...Wilmington Country Club, The Renaissance Club, and St. George’s Golf and Country Club.

[countryboy]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

Three have been mentioned as new adds to 2K23...Wilmington Country Club, The Renaissance Club, and St. George’s Golf and Country Club.

Oh yeah I forgot about Wilmington Country Club.

Well now I hope the number is 21 and Pebble Beach is added or if its 20, then one of the old courses didn't transfer over and Pebble Beach took its place.

[lowpaiddonkey10]

Re: PGA Tour 2K23 - Answering OS Community Questions

Since you can only use splash out of bunkers now I wonder if they plan on going back to the old yardages on the pitch shots or if you need to execute a partial swing?