OSFC-AAA Texas 500

[Happy29]

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What a finish Harvick wins and the Dillon brothers finish 2nd and 3rd

[BurghFan]

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This is the worst thing I have ever seen in racing. I hate this guy so much.

Wow! That was totally wreckless and uncalled for on Busch's part. It's a good thing Hornaday hit the SAFER barrier.

[Happy29]

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Wow! That was totally wreckless and uncalled for on Busch's part. It's a good thing Hornaday hit the SAFER barrier.

Yeah Kyle has already been on probation once this year for his on track actions, (Darlington with Harvick), but if NASCAR does not come down on him hard and I mean hard with fines and suspensions I will loose a lot of respect for the sport I love. He has time and time again shown no regard for any drivers safety or the safety of the fans in the stands that could be hurt by his recklessness, and he thumbs his nose at NASCAR officials as if they can't touch him. It is time for that to end.

Just for reference the last guy to be suspended for a Cup race because of his on track actions was Kevin Harvick in 2002 during the Advanced Auto Parts 250 truck race at Martinsville. Here is the race the incident takes place around the 4:30 mark compare that to what happened tonight and lets see what happens.

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[Happy29]

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Seats have been swapped to fit Michael McDowell in both the 18 Cup and Nationwide car. Meeting still not over

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McDowell is in the 18 right now getting ready for practice and Hamlin is being fitted for the Nationwide car.

[Happy29]

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Meeting is over Kyle walked out of the hauler looked angry walked past the reporters without saying a word and left out the side gate, went to the drivers hauler instead of garage. NASCAR will release a statement in about 10 minutes but I think the writing is on the wall.

Kyle's last 2 November races at Texas 2 birds and 2 missed races

It's official Kyle has been parked for the weekend. I know for a fact though that this will not change Kyle and he will play the victim. I still think the punishment was too light.

More to come Monday or Tuesday fines, points, and possibly even being suspended longer

[Bullit]

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I do no think this punishment is even close to severe enough. I am so tired of the punks and thugs of profesional sports thinking they can do whatever they want and they only get a slap of the wrist. I know nothing will ever change, more likely it will get worse, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.

[Happy29]

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I do no think this punishment is even close to severe enough. I am so tired of the punks and thugs of profesional sports thinking they can do whatever they want and they only get a slap of the wrist. I know nothing will ever change, more likely it will get worse, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it.

I agree with you Bullit, but many people in the garage area are thinking that there's more to come with this, that he might not race again this year.

NASCAR made Tony Stewart take anger management and psychiatric classes a few years ago after his on track actions got out of hand. I would have to say that Kyles actions just this year alone have exceeded that, from his incident at Darlington, to speeding over 100 mph more than the posted speed limit on a North Carolina Rd, last night, other things. Then you add up all the things he has done throughout his career, he needs some help. If I'm NASCAR I suspend him for the year and make him seek some professional help before he looses it one race and we end up having to have a funeral for a driver because he made Kyle mad on the track.

[Bullit]

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I agree with you Bullit, but many people in the garage area are thinking that there's more to come with this, that he might not race again this year.

NASCAR made Tony Stewart take anger management and psychiatric classes a few years ago after his on track actions got out of hand. I would have to say that Kyles actions just this year alone have exceeded that, from his incident at Darlington, to speeding over 100 mph more than the posted speed limit on a North Carolina Rd, last night, other things. Then you add up all the things he has done throughout his career, he needs some help. If I'm NASCAR I suspend him for the year and make him seek some professional help before he looses it one race and we end up having to have a funeral for a driver because he made Kyle mad on the track.

I agree that he eeds some help, I would also agree with the discipline you layed out and I hope that this is what happens. You are probably right as I am sure you are much more knowledgable anout the sport than I am.

[br329]

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Forgot about this week lol. I'll take Jeff Burton

[Solidice]

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He should be benched for the rest of the season from all Nascar events.

[BurghFan]

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Serves Busch right and I agree, he does need help.

So, does Mr. Wednesday get to pick a new driver now?

[Happy29]

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I have made an observation and I would like to take the chance to explain what I see myself and compare it to another famous athlete from a different sport and their similarities and share with you guys. Please read this and give me your opinions rather here or PM.

We all joke about how in the NBA playoffs when it's crunch time in the 4th quarter that LeBron James chokes, he completely crumbles under the pressure. A lot of the pressure he has brought on himself but some I think is unfairly given by the media naming him "King James" or the "Next Greatest". Regardless of where it comes from when it's clutch time he becomes "Prince James" and chokes under that pressure and cannot get it done in clutch time.

Now over to Kyle Busch who has been said by so many experts to have been possibly one of the greatest they have ever seen. Networks even go as far as distorting his win numbers to make him look more impressive. Year after year at Daytona he is picked to win it all. "He's the best driver out there and you're going to have to beat him". A lot of pressure is put on this guy by a lot of people from his sponsors all the way down to the TV guys and his fans, and year after year he crumbles under that pressure.

The chase is NASCAR's version of the playoffs lasting 10 weeks from the month of September to mid November. Kyle has won races in September but lets look at NASCAR's 4th quarter the month of October and November. Just like how LeBron chokes in the 4th quarter of the NBA Finals, Kyle chokes in the 4th quarter of NASCAR's playoffs. For his career Kyle has 0 wins in the month of October. One in November, that being his rookie year when he was not in the chase and under no pressure. Remember last November at Texas Kyle was thick in the race for the championship running in the top 3 in points, when under the pressure he lost control again. Getting black flagged for a speeding on pit road penalty after a wreck. Then he was caught on camera giving the NASCAR official the bird while holding him in the pits. That lead to an even more of a penalty that saw Kyle start his collapse under the pressure.

Last night the pressure of 2 championships got to him. He was racing for the owners championship against KHI when he and Hornaday got together. Everyone can agree that the first contact was simply cosmetic and could have been repaired and each driver could have gone out and raced for the win. But he lost all control and ended both of their nights, handing over the owners championship to KHI when Harvick won the race but also lost all hopes of a Cup championship when his actions resulted in him being parked for the remaining of the weekend.

So there we have it 2 great athletes that certainly have all the talent in the world that are capable of being among the greatest in their sport, that certainly walk around with the arrogance that they believe they are the best, but for some reason cannot handle the pressure that has been laid upon them when it comes time for them to show that they deserve the accolades they are given. How do they fix it? Could seeking counseling make them better? It's hard to figure out but I believe both need help, Kyle so much more because if he does not get control his actions could very well one day kill someone.

[Mr.Wednesday]

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Serves Busch right and I agree, he does need help.

So, does Mr. Wednesday get to pick a new driver now?

Naw, I'll still stick with the 18 car.

[Happy29]

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Serves Busch right and I agree, he does need help.

So, does Mr. Wednesday get to pick a new driver now?

I believe he should have the choice of sticking with the 18 and taking the points that McDowell earns or pick a new driver. It's up to everyone else but it isn't his fault what happened and should have the chance to chose one way or the other.

[Bullit]

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I think that is a pretty fair assessment of the situation in a lot of ways. I think that athletes at a certain level all have this issue. That is what I think seperates the good from the great is the ability to overcome this and reach the championships of their respective sports.

To add to example let us put in Tiger Woods. Arguably one of the greatest golfers of all time. Once his world crashed and along with it his confidence and sense of invulnerability, his reign on the course ended as well. So many of these athletes have a false sense of self importance that has developed over the years of people telling them how great they are, that when things dont go the way they want them to, that feel entitled to what they want and they can do whatever they want to get it.

The problem is arising that it is not just athletes. Look down in the neighorhood thread. There is a post in there about children that are sueing their mother because she wont give them what they want. Our culture has led to people being famous for being rich,stupid, and/or slutty,drug problems and violence are on the news in record numers. The American dream used to be the white house , the picket fence and 2.5 kids. Now people sue for spilling hot coffee in their laps, people have a TV show and outrageous salaries for being drunk, illiterate, women beaters and they get renewed season after season.

Ooooops that rant went a little longer than I wanted it to, sorry I really was just trying to agree with you, I will shut up now.

This was in response to Happy29's post it took me longer to type it than I thought it would