Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

[tripwire]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

There is no way that this is true, they might as well not release this thing.

That's our gamer thought process at work, but,

• all the videos show only 1 new controller during multiplayer
• the early report that the controller can only be sold with the system and not as a stand alone
• the price factor of each new controller for the buyer
• the very possible bottleneck that would occur by rendering from the main system to more than 1 of these over a wireless signal at the same time

I get the feeling that they've already made their business decision. Thing is, they do have time to try and see if more than 1 can be implemented at a time in a cost effective manner for the buyer, and within the capabilities of their hardware. I'm sure some developers will push for it.

Personally, i don't see it happening without limitations and at a high cost to us. Two ways i see it happening. You can link more than 1 to a system, yet only 1 controller gets rendered at a time, or more than 1 can be rendered at the same time with limited gaming capabilities at a very low resolution.

Pricing and tech with be the major obstacles here.

[Burns11]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

they don't need multiouch, since that's only really important when your only input method is with the touch screen. It's got buttons and two joysticks. Resistive screens can also be more accurate with a stylus, which this will use.

Tablets are expensive, and they also have to include the console itself in the price they choose to set.

I disagree, resistive touchscreens are going away for a reason. Everything it can do as resistive, it can do as capacitive, but capacitive is quite a bit more capable.

[bukktown]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

I haven't heard the weight of the new controller. Have they mentioned that yet?

[EnigmaNemesis]

I disagree, resistive touchscreens are going away for a reason. Everything it can do as resistive, it can do as capacitive, but capacitive is quite a bit more capable.

Agreed. They went with resistive cause the tech is dirt cheap now. And it is a cheap TN panel. Not dogging it, just Nintendo's ways.

They like to profit from the get go. It is their thing.

[Flawless]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Three Amazing Things You’ll Do With Aliens: Colonial Marines on the Wii U

The most important thing Randy Pitchford told us during our discussion about the Wii U version of the game with him today, is that the high-definition first-person shooter will be completely playable on the Wii U controller with the television off. That means you can play through the entire shooter on the tablet's screen while someone is watching television.

The device will, at times, become the game's motion tracker, a device in the fiction of the Alien universe that can track the location of enemies and friendlies by their motion. Pitchford explained that players may be asked to sweep their controller around them, looking for approaching enemies, which will show up as blips on the display of the controller.

The Wii U controller will also become a fully interactive map at times. In this mode, players will be able to play with a full map of the area much like we see Private William Hudson doing in the movie Aliens.

Finally, Pitchford said that players will use the display on the controller to play a mini-game used to hack doors in the game.

It was obvious that these were just some of the ideas that Gearbox have been playing around with for the implementation of the game on Nintendo's Wii U.

"The Wii U is really bad ***," he said. "We have a lot of great ideas that we're already working on.

[bkfount]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

I disagree, resistive touchscreens are going away for a reason. Everything it can do as resistive, it can do as capacitive, but capacitive is quite a bit more capable.

Capacitive screens are used for phones and tablets because it is better to use finger gestures for those kinds of devices. Multitouch is a big deal because many phones/tablets lack a handful of physical buttons. Regardless, at least with gaming, resistive touch screens are still superior to capacitive touch screens though. They're more precise as you can use a stylus for greater input accuracy than a finger. It has pressure sensitivity. And yes, it's cheaper.

This controller will have better input precision than a smartphone/tablet, and has better controls for gaming with physical buttons, two sticks, and a dpad. It'll work fine for the kinds of games that appear on gaming consoles and handhelds. I don't get the big deal.

[DickDalewood]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Capacitive screens are used for phones and tablets because it is better to use finger gestures for those kinds of devices. Multitouch is a big deal because many phones/tablets lack a handful of physical buttons. Regardless, at least with gaming, resistive touch screens are still superior to capacitive touch screens though. They're more precise as you can use a stylus for greater input accuracy than a finger. It has pressure sensitivity. And yes, it's cheaper.

This controller will have better input precision than a smartphone/tablet, and has better controls for gaming with physical buttons, two sticks, and a dpad. It'll work fine for the kinds of games that appear on gaming consoles and handhelds. I don't get the big deal.

Eeeeeeeexactly.

[Burns11]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Capacitive screens are used for phones and tablets because it is better to use finger gestures for those kinds of devices. Multitouch is a big deal because many phones/tablets lack a handful of physical buttons. Regardless, at least with gaming, resistive touch screens are still superior to capacitive touch screens though. They're more precise as you can use a stylus for greater input accuracy than a finger. It has pressure sensitivity. And yes, it's cheaper.

This controller will have better input precision than a smartphone/tablet, and has better controls for gaming with physical buttons, two sticks, and a dpad. It'll work fine for the kinds of games that appear on gaming consoles and handhelds. I don't get the big deal.

You can use a stylus on a capacitive screen, and I have yet to see any sort of increase in accuracy with resistive. Capacitive screens are more responsive. Capacitive touch panels are capable of sensing pressure.

The problem isn't that a resistive panel isn't good enough, it's that a resistive panel is gimping right out of the gate, a capacitive panel is just much more versatile.

[DickDalewood]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

You can use a stylus on a capacitive screen, and I have yet to see any sort of increase in accuracy with resistive. Capacitive screens are more responsive. Capacitive touch panels are capable of sensing pressure.

The problem isn't that a resistive panel isn't good enough, it's that a resistive panel is gimping right out of the gate, a capacitive panel is just much more versatile.

If Nintendo went that route, the controller alone would cost over $100, and then everyone would call them nuts for "charging that much for a glorified controller".

This is the right decision.

[choadler]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Regradless of what happens, that controller has interesting possibilities to make games more interesting. I thought some of the ideas they had for Aliens sounded cool.

[Flawless]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Kotaku video showing the console.

http://kotaku.com/5810084/

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[Burns11]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

If Nintendo went that route, the controller alone would cost over $100, and then everyone would call them nuts for "charging that much for a glorified controller".

This is the right decision.

I find that hard to believe, have you seen how little a replacement digitizer for an iPhone costs? I don't buy that using a capacitive screen would cost that much more long term, and the benefits FAR outweigh the costs.

[DickDalewood]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

I find that hard to believe, have you seen how little a replacement digitizer for an iPhone costs? I don't buy that using a capacitive screen would cost that much more long term, and the benefits FAR outweigh the costs.

I'm not talking about cost for Nintendo, I'm talking cost for the consumer, and if you put an iPhone quality screen on there, the cost is going to go up and people aren't going to like it.

[Burns11]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

You missed the point.

Also, the cost to Nintendo and the cost to us are proportional.

Point is, an iPhone digitizer can be purchased at about the same price as a DSi digitizer, so the cost difference between a resistive and capacitive screen can't be that insurmountable anymore.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: Nintendo E3 2011 Discussion Thread (Press - 6/7)

Mmmm....underwhelming to a lot of you, but I thought it is pretty revolutionary...It has alot of potential. Too big for kids though.

A lot of negativity here.

I love the potential of the second screen. If the price is right, I'll be getting this on day 1.

I'm infinitely more interested in this than I ever was with the Wii.

Did you not watch the presentation? This can change the way you play and interact with the console.
I want to play an RPG and have my inventory system on the touch screen.
Madden with the play calling and stats available on the touch screen.
The baseball fielder's persepective in through the second screen.

im with you guys. i love the tech. i was amazed by the presentation. im highly interested in the new system now.

now if the price is right, im down.