Xbox One

[mestevo]

Re: Xbox One

The Show is definitely a system seller over a game like Uncharted. Xbox One has Tomb Raider for example which someone who wants a game like that can buy. But the Xbox One has no comparable game to The Show.

And again, you can't go by sales numbers, it's not about sales, it's a conflux of reasons as to why some games sell systems and others don't. You have to see the big picture as to how consumers purchase items.

If you can't go by sales because it demolishes your argument then you can't attach other things to it like 'based on a major sport' to make it correct again.

The Show is part of the value proposition of the PlayStation brand. It doesn't sell systems by virtue of it's low sales numbers itself.

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[ODogg]

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I can't help you if you are going to double down on inane opinions.

There is nothing inane about my opinions. I've worked in retail, I have read a lot about people and how they've chosen PS4. The Show is a major factor when it comes to sports fans and there are a lot of sports fans who buy consoles.

I wonder if I went to the PS4 thread and said "Hey Forza is a system seller because it's a fantastic racing game and there's nothing like it on the PS4" if they'd give me the same inane idea that it's not when we all know it is?

[mestevo]

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There is nothing inane about my opinions. I've worked in retail, I have read a lot about people and how they've chosen PS4. The Show is a major factor when it comes to sports fans and there are a lot of sports fans who buy consoles.

I wonder if I went to the PS4 thread and said "Hey Forza is a system seller because it's a fantastic racing game and there's nothing like it on the PS4" if they'd give me the same inane idea that it's not when we all know it is?

The Forza franchise recently passed $1b in sales, Horizon 3 sold over 2.5m units. All citable in the press, no vgchartz or opinions needed.

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[ODogg]

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If you can't go by sales because it demolishes your argument then you can't attach other things to it like 'based on a major sport' to make it correct again.

The Show is part of the value proposition of the PlayStation brand. It doesn't sell systems by virtue of it's low sales numbers itself.

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Sure you can, being a system seller is based upon why people buy a particular system. It is not about sales. You can't compare sales because Gears of War outsells The Show but there are tons of games like GOW on all systems.

Also, I didn't say that The Show was the reason most people buy a PS4. It's not. But it's undeniable that because of The Shows unique position as not only the best baseball simulation on the market, but the only one, that a certain segment of gamers choose the PS4 as their console to purchase.

Again, same as why some folks choose Xbox because of Forza.

I worked in video game retail sales for years so I have dealt with why people buy certain products over others. If you think The Show doesn't sell PS4s then you're deluding yourself because it most certainly does.

[ubernoob]

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There is nothing inane about my opinions. I've worked in retail, I have read a lot about people and how they've chosen PS4. The Show is a major factor when it comes to sports fans and there are a lot of sports fans who buy consoles.

I wonder if I went to the PS4 thread and said "Hey Forza is a system seller because it's a fantastic racing game and there's nothing like it on the PS4" if they'd give me the same inane idea that it's not when we all know it is?

Forza isn't a system seller either. It's part of the value proposition.

MS had two system sellers. Halo (which has greatly fallen off) and Gears of War (also which has greatly fallen off.)

I'd actually posit the argument that we're past the days of system sellers, but for the sake of discussion you're still wrong.

Basically what you are saying is that if you took The Show off of PS4, you'd have a marked drop in sales. You are 100% wrong.

[ODogg]

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The Forza franchise recently passed $1b in sales, Horizon 3 sold over 2.5m units. All citable in the press, no vgchartz or opinions needed.

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Yes, no doubt, it's the primary reason I own an Xbox One. If I had one reason to say why I own an Xbox One it is the Forza games.

[ODogg]

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Forza isn't a system seller either. It's part of the value proposition.

MS had two system sellers. Halo (which has greatly fallen off) and Gears of War (also which has greatly fallen off.)

I'd actually posit the argument that we're past the days of system sellers, but for the sake of discussion you're still wrong.

Basically what you are saying is that if you took The Show off of PS4, you'd have a marked drop in sales. You are 100% wrong.

Halo and Gears of War are large sellers but they are not system sellers. PS4 and PC have plenty of games like them. They're not unique is the point. The Show is 100% unique.

Again, sales of a title, whether a lot or not a lot, is not indicative of a system seller. It simply means that people who own that system tend to buy that game. You're confusing the two.

Going back to my old days of video game retail, I'm sure Mario trounced Sonic in sales, no doubt about it. But I personally sold hundreds of Genesis to people who wanted Sonic. Sonic was unique to the Genesis is the point.

[ubernoob]

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Halo and Gears of War are large sellers but they are not system sellers. PS4 and PC have plenty of games like them. They're not unique is the point. The Show is 100% unique.

Again, sales of a title, whether a lot or not a lot, is not indicative of a system seller. It simply means that people who own that system tend to buy that game. You're confusing the two.

Going back to my old days of video game retail, I'm sure Mario trounced Sonic in sales, no doubt about it. But I personally sold hundreds of Genesis to people who wanted Sonic. Sonic was unique to the Genesis is the point.

Take Halo and Gears off the XBox.

Take The Show off PS4.

Which one sees a bigger drop in sales?

[ricky24]

Xbox One

So the show is pretty much the only thing that can be a system seller currently and it's only because 2k gave up on MLB for whatever reason they had. I'm not sure if I agree with this.

[ubernoob]

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So the show is pretty much the only thing that can be a system seller currently and it's only because 2k gave up on MLB for whatever reason they had. I'm not sure if I agree with this.

No, Forza can too even though Playstation has Gran Turismo.

[mgoblue]

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A MLB game itself isn't really a seller of any type IMO.

If it was then there'd be a EA or 2k version of baseball. Sony keeps The Show around because it's exclusive and has a devout fanbase...I'm sure they know how much they'll get every year vs. expenses and are able to keep it somewhawt profitable.

The Show may be a system seller for a small group of baseball gaming fans, sure...but not a very strong seller given how its sales are

[ExtremeGamer]

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Games that sold systems for me in my life were Mario 64 (N64), Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2), Halo (Xbox), Luigi's Mansion (Cube), Fantavision (PS2) and Zelda (Switch)


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[mestevo]

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Games that sold systems for me in my life were Mario 64 (N64), Grand Theft Auto 3 (PS2), Halo (Xbox), Luigi's Mansion (Cube), Fantavision (PS2) and Zelda (Switch)


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Heh, bet not many can say this... Of those consoles I only owned an Xbox. Mostly because of EverQuest.

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[JayhawkerStL]

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Forza isn't a system seller either. It's part of the value proposition.

MS had two system sellers. Halo (which has greatly fallen off) and Gears of War (also which has greatly fallen off.)

I'd actually posit the argument that we're past the days of system sellers, but for the sake of discussion you're still wrong.

Basically what you are saying is that if you took The Show off of PS4, you'd have a marked drop in sales. You are 100% wrong.

I can guarantee you a drop of at least one sale. I bought a PS4 Slim, and The Show is the only reason why. Period.

But if you look at Xbox One sales versus PS4 Sales, then look at how any people like me there would have to be to have a real effect on there numbers, you run out way to soon because The Show doesn't sell that well.

In fact, that is why no one has jumped into the market. Baseball games are the hardest to get right, their fans are the hardest to please, have the least amount of action of any sport, and the games take a long time to complete. It is hard to translate baseball to a fun gaming experience. And when Sony can only muster around million in sales, is there a path to profit for another game?

But even if all one million people that bought The Show were to not purchase a PS4, It would drop Sony's sales by less than 2%, and they would still hold a 30 million lead over Microsoft.

[daniel77733]

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Personally, im in the category of those who believe that exclusives are NOT system sellers. The third party games are the system sellers. Exclusives are just an added bonus.