Xbox One

[mgoblue]

Re: Xbox One

Kind of expecting the PS4's version of kinect to be required too, it just can't do as much so less concern about it.

Would seem strange for it to not be required when they are putting a move sensor on every controller, being able to mandate it available for every title will either lead to people getting it out for some games (not required to have connected all the time) or it actually needing to be plugged in all the time.

Either way, is there anything about that re: PS4?

In the end, this is MS's vision, if you don't buy into it just yet because there's only so much concrete information and a mountain of FUD, that's OK.

Sony isn't telling us anything...which is why no one cares. I know they'll fall in line with whatever used games restrictions come down. Move has a camera too, and I bet they were going to have video chat as well.

It's just a "black box" (literally, we don't know what it even looks like) so they're off the hook for now.

[houstonsportsfan]

Re: Xbox One

My only gripe is the kinect has to be plugged into the X1 for it to work, i don't want to use kinect ever, will the PS4 have something similar i won't buy any of the consoles :\

[zanner]

Re: Xbox One

But the entire install base of Xbox 360's cannot be assumed to have Kinect. When you require it for the console (like requiring a Hard Drive) it allows the devs to know 100% that it'll be there.

I understand the frustration, but with peripherals like Kinect or Move they have to guarantee it'll be there to make it worthwhile for everyone.

I personally find Kinect way more useful than Move, I never really understood or liked Sony's motion technology, and didn't seem like any games used it either. That's a side note I just thought about as I was typing this.

How are either useful really? A lot of games use neither, and from what I gather or seen no one uses motion controls except some parties where you do a couple of easy bowling games or whatnot for an hour or two to get people involved. IMO the whole motion control is useless because it's almost an impossible sell for console gamers because most of the time when gamers get a chance to relax and play a game the last thing they're wanting to do is to exert physical energy waving arms around or running in place for an hour or two. That's what the gym is for, gaming for the foreseeable future (IMO of course) is going to revolve around a controller/game pad with little use for motion controls like the Kinect or Move - Thus I find it strange that so much of functionality of the Next Xbox is so tied to Kinect because I don't think as gamers or entertainment watchers that we're really accepting of this concept yet nor will be the next 4-8 years. And by that time, there's going to be a whole other next next gen on the horizon.

[Burns11]

Re: Xbox One

They dont need to explain it to you. The reasons are OBVIOUS...they want to constantly watch/listen and monitor you. This will give them unlimited and updated data on every gamer/household an XBone sits inside. The reasons for this are only limited by the imagination of their marketing team.
For instance, you play alot of Call of Duty, and u arent particularly healthy or "in shape" so as u are playing its detecting your heart rate (by the change in hue in ur face color) and reading that your heart rate is much higher than it should.
So now they can use that data to send you prompts for kinect excercise games etc. now this example is only the tip of the iceberg. U can let ur imagination do the rest relative to nefarious ways any info can be shared or SURRENDERED to whatever entity decides they "Need" all the conversations and biometric camera data that ur Xbone or microsofts Cloud has stored.
This is what cracks me up...the vast difference in philosophies regarding us Americans and the Japanese. If Sony had all these requirements in their hardware, Im willing to bet they would crash and burn in their own country.
But so may here are willing to completely open up themselves, thier families and ther homes to a gaming system no less, just to play a video game...Ridiculous.

It's more about demographics data, really, that's why they want you to watch TV filtered through the box. Think about it like this, now TV advertisers can virtually watch you watch a show. Who is in the room, what you pay attention to, what you don't. When you are an advertiser who wants as many eyes on an ad as you can get, it's an invaluable piece of data. If Microsoft can get enough of these in homes, they could push Nielsen out of the TV ratings game. At least Nielsen pays it's families for their data, Microsoft wants you to pay them to take your data.

It's also about targeted ads on the Xbone itself, so Microsoft can charge more per view. I think your example is a bit too specific, it's more likely targeted towards demographic groups rather than specific individuals. Not that they couldn't do that, I'm just not sure are really so interested in such specific targeting of ads.

[Phobia]

Re: Xbox One

One thing not many are mentioning that I hate with a passion is being forced to install games to the hard drive.

This was one of my main hates of the PS3. I loved how 360 I simply throw the disk in and boom game is playing. I understand the reasons why installs are going to be required, but I'm still not happy with it.

[TreFacTor]

Re: Xbox One

It's more about demographics data, really, that's why they want you to watch TV filtered through the box. Think about it like this, now TV advertisers can virtually watch you watch a show. Who is in the room, what you pay attention to, what you don't. When you are an advertiser who wants as many eyes on an ad as you can get, it's an invaluable piece of data. If Microsoft can get enough of these in homes, they could push Nielson out of the TV ratings game. At least Nielson pays it's families for their data, Microsoft wants you to pay them to take your data.

It's also about targeted ads on the Xbone itself, so Microsoft can charge more per view. I think your example is a bit too specific, it's more likely targeted towards demographic groups rather than specific individuals. Not that they couldn't do that, I'm just not sure are really so interested in such specific targeting of ads.

Nielsen ratings already give advertisers this data. Commercial viewing is how shows get ratings and advertising. You can't watch a commercial and game at the same time on the 360 so adding a "Nielsen" feature is a waste of time on a gaming console, or for the small portion of gamers that will confine the system to the living room.

[jmood88]

Re: Xbox One

I'm still not following how that makes sense though. Were devs not able to develop for the Kinect if they wanted to previously? 2K managed to develop for it without it being a mandatory piece of my 360.

It's the same reason that hard drives were made mandatory in the first xbox's life and later on in the 360's. When developers knows that everyone has the peripheral, it means that they have an incentive to spend time on coming up with more uses for said peripheral. As it is now, Kinect is an afterthought because they have no idea who has bought it.

[mestevo]

Re: Xbox One

One thing not many are mentioning that I hate with a passion is being forced to install games to the hard drive.

This was one of my main hates of the PS3. I loved how 360 I simply throw the disk in and boom game is playing. I understand the reasons why installs are going to be required, but I'm still not happy with it.

They're doing it in a way that you can play the game while it installs. They claim you won't have to wait for it to install. At worst we certainly won't have to wait for the entire game.

A big pet peeve of mine too. Especially if you buy an older game. It took well over an hour to finally play Resistance 3 due to the install and updates last year.

PS3 also had a really slow Blu-Ray drive, something like 9mb/s. By comparison the PS4's is 4x that. Not sure about specs on the X1 drive.

[TreFacTor]

Re: Xbox One

It's the same reason that hard drives were made mandatory in the first xbox's life and later on in the 360's. When developers knows that everyone has the peripheral, it means that they have an incentive to spend time on coming up with more uses for said peripheral. As it is now, Kinect is an afterthought because they have no idea who has bought it.

This is the worst analogy you have used yet...the reason for the hard drive on the first xbox was disc space issues. The games would install portions of the game on the hard drive so that games could run more smoothly and not have to constantly access the disc drive. That and the operating system is stored there. That's also the reason for the hard drive on the xbox 360...

[CigarCityBandit]

Re: Xbox One

Another interesting thing to me relative To the always online functionality
Of XBone...I think i read one Exec state that u can play games completely offline
Etc. If memory serves he was the England based exec, while everyone else (Microsoft folks) are talking up the neccesity for the online connectivity he made his remarks supposedly off the cuff to someone.
Anyway what Im getting at is this:
I'd be willing to bet that he is right but with a huge caveat-that if u do play it
Offline and un connected, that the experience is a diminished one.
In other words maybe the textures in game arent as good etc.
Im starting to think that the system is going to be connected in order to have their servers supplement the rendering capabilities etc. within your games.
So the servers are going to assist the box in running the game.
If this is accurate...(and Im only going by whats been written by sites like IGN and the links they provide in their articles etc.) this would not at all be desireable
As far as my choice for a next gen console.
But to each his own of course.
All of these vague and general statements put out at the reveal, and then some of the comments made after the fact kinda make me think that later on, this stuff is what is actually going to be uncovered.
Anyone else seem to connect the dots in this manner or does this seem to be
Unrealistic.

[VTPack919]

Re: Xbox One

Rabble Rabble Rabble

[JODYE]

Re: Xbox One

Can we stop referring to it as XBone?

Sounds like a really cheap boner pill.

[Burns11]

Re: Xbox One

Nielsen ratings already give advertisers this data. Commercial viewing is how shows get ratings and advertising. You can't watch a commercial and game at the same time on the 360 so adding a "Nielsen" feature is a waste of time on a gaming console, or for the small portion of gamers that will confine the system to the living room.

This is a Xbone thread, not 360. There's a reason why Microsoft wanted TV through the Xbone and why Kinect is required to be connected at all times, and not just included in the box.

Microsoft can collect much more data about who watches TV, from a lot more people than Nielsen can. Think about it like this, say Microsoft only sells 100k Xbones this holiday season, and only a third of those are installed in living rooms with TV running through them. Both very conservative numbers. By Superbowl time they will have 33k homes collecting Kinect demographics numbers. That's who is watching, how intently, down to the second if Microsoft wanted. The next Superbowl, when advertisers are looking to buy their really expensive TV spot, who will they look to 20k homes worth of vague data in half hour blocks, or 33k homes worth of exactly who was watching the TV at all points in the game? Now imagine Microsoft has millions in homes gathering data every second of every day, you don't think that would be extremely more valuable than Neilsen's very basic demographic data?

[TreFacTor]

Re: Xbox One

Another interesting thing to me relative To the always online functionality
Of XBone...I think i read one Exec state that u can play games completely offline
Etc. If memory serves he was the England based exec, while everyone else (Microsoft folks) are talking up the neccesity for the online connectivity he made his remarks supposedly off the cuff to someone.
Anyway what Im getting at is this:
I'd be willing to bet that he is right but with a huge caveat-that if u do play it
Offline and un connected, that the experience is a diminished one.
In other words maybe the textures in game arent as good etc.
Im starting to think that the system is going to be connected in order to have their servers supplement the rendering capabilities etc. within your games.
So the servers are going to assist the box in running the game.
If this is accurate...(and Im only going by whats been written by sites like IGN and the links they provide in their articles etc.) this would not at all be desireable
As far as my choice for a next gen console.
But to each his own of course.
All of these vague and general statements put out at the reveal, and then some of the comments made after the fact kinda make me think that later on, this stuff is what is actually going to be uncovered.
Anyone else seem to connect the dots in this manner or does this seem to be
Unrealistic.

It only needs to connect once a day. It's a security check more than anything else. They wouldn't make a machine that has that big of a discrepancy online and offline to where it would be visually noticeable.

[jmood88]

Re: Xbox One

This is the worst analogy you have used yet...the reason for the hard drive on the first xbox was disc space issues. The games would install portions of the game on the hard drive so that games could run more smoothly and not have to constantly access the disc drive. That and the operating system is stored there. That's also the reason for the hard drive on the xbox 360...

Ummm, what? Hard drives were made standard because of space issues and because the lack of a standard hard drive negatively impacts development, which is why they were more prevalent on the 360 revisions and why most developers made having a hard drive a requirement to play their games.