Xbox One

[kingkilla56]

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Just wanted to provide a follow up. This was confirmed to be legit. Family Sharing for the Xbone was the same as PS3's one hour game demos and was further restricted to games that your family already owned.

They were prepping to **** the gamer from every angle.

I kinda wish they had explained the family sharing at E3. It would have been hilarious.

[trobinson97]

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Just wanted to provide a follow up. This was confirmed to be legit. Family Sharing for the Xbone was the same as PS3's one hour game demos and was further restricted to games that your family already owned.

So because they removed the 24H DRM, they can't let people demo games anymore? Also, people are mad that the "whiners" made it so they can't share demos? This whole thing has me shaking my head, almost none of what MS has done in regards to their next gen has made any sense to me. Add to it that people are defending them makes it even more puzzling to me.

I can understand the entertainment side of things, but that's it. It's not what I'm looking for out of a game console, but I can at least understand why it would be appealing to people.

The kinect requirement, the online requirement, the 24 hour check in requirement, these things I just don't understand. And I don't understand why people would want to have these things forced upon them. People are actually arguing for less options and more restrictions.

[Trapper700]

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So because they removed the 24H DRM, they can't let people demo games anymore? Also, people are mad that the "whiners" made it so they can't share demos? This whole thing has me shaking my head, almost none of what MS has done in regards to their next gen has made any sense to me. Add to it that people are defending them makes it even more puzzling to me.

I can understand the entertainment side of things, but that's it. It's not what I'm looking for out of a game console, but I can at least understand why it would be appealing to people.

The kinect requirement, the online requirement, the 24 hour check in requirement, these things I just don't understand. And I don't understand why people would want to have these things forced upon them. People are actually arguing for less options and more restrictions.

Well, to be fair, the family share = game demos thing wasn't revealed until after the initial outrage of the reversal (and it was even more recently that this was confirmed to be true by a trusted insider). People generally assumed that the family sharing meant that they would save a lot of money on games, because why pay for 10 copies of a game if one person buys it and everyone else can either split the cost or just leech off of that person. That's where a lot of the anger came from, too.

It's, once again, Microsoft's fault for not being clear and getting the message out to everyone. Although, if they actually explained that demos were all that people were getting and still were keeping the other restrictions, there would likely be even more outrage.

[trobinson97]

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Well, to be fair, the family share = game demos thing wasn't revealed until after the initial outrage of the reversal (and it was even more recently that this was confirmed to be true by a trusted insider). People generally assumed that the family sharing meant that they would save a lot of money on games, because why pay for 10 copies of a game if one person buys it and everyone else can either split the cost or just leech off of that person. That's where a lot of the anger came from, too.

Even then I can't believe people thought MS would let them share their games with 10 randoms with no restrictions like that. I really don't think anyone actually believed that, they just used the assumption as the basis to keep arguing IMO. I just don't believe anyone here is that naive, but then again maybe they are.

It's, once again, Microsoft's fault for not being clear and getting the message out to everyone. Although, if they actually explained that demos were all that people were getting and still were keeping the other restrictions, there would likely be even more outrage.

Maybe, but personally I don't think so. People were arguing for the restrictions even before the family share stuff was out there.

[Solidice]

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Even then I can't believe people thought MS would let them share their games with 10 randoms with no restrictions like that. I really don't think anyone actually believed that, they just used the assumption as the basis to keep arguing IMO. I just don't believe anyone here is that naive, but then again maybe they are.

it was believed to be the only way to share games in the old system since you couldn't share the disc. The restrictions was that only one person could use it at a time and you had be be online.

but after hearing this, it's a good thing they ditch that plan.

[Trapper700]

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Even then I can't believe people thought MS would let them share their games with 10 randoms with no restrictions like that. I really don't think anyone actually believed that, they just used the assumption as the basis to keep arguing IMO. I just don't believe anyone here is that naive, but then again maybe they are.

Maybe, but personally I don't think so. People were arguing for the restrictions even before the family share stuff was out there.

I agree with you. There were some people that did argue for the restrictions beforehand because they felt like it was something that didn't affect them, not thinking about the people it would affect like the military or those in unsupported countries. But it seems like it was because they thought they were getting something out of it. Whether it's the family sharing or not having to switch discs or thinking that it would lead to Steam-like prices. Most of it seemed to be due to the family sharing thing, though, because that's the one thing that was brought up the most by people who were disappointed with Microsoft's reversal.

While it may be unbelievable that people thought that it meant full unrestricted sharing between 10 people, there were a lot of people that did think that (if you're brave, you can venture to /r/xboxone on Reddit and the various petitions for bringing it back). Family sharing also (before the reveal) seemed to be the only redeeming factor behind all of the DRM stuff in the first place. I think it's easier to believe that people wanted that feature more than they wanted restrictions.

[AirLobo23]

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Just wanted to provide a follow up. This was confirmed to be legit. Family Sharing for the Xbone was the same as PS3's one hour game demos and was further restricted to games that your family already owned.

I'm not sure how this is confirming anything? This is a link to another message board? What am i missing....

[Boltman]

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I'm not sure how this is confirming anything? This is a link to another message board? What am i missing....

Not sure.

I guess he wanted to hammer his point home?

[Trapper700]

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I'm not sure how this is confirming anything? This is a link to another message board? What am i missing....

Despite the funny name, and his moonspeak, cboat is an insider in the industry and is probably NeoGAF's most trusted source. You also can't just make claims like his on GAF without proof, because it results in an automatic ban (GAF doesn't even allow "free" email addresses to register an account). He's basically a gaming prophet, and he's FAR more reliable a source than Arthur Gies.

Things cboat has leaked in the past:
-The full voice cast for San Andreas
-A bunch of NPD life-to-date sales numbers for a **** ton of games after NPD stopped releasing that stuff
-That the 360 (back when it was "Xenon") would require Live "awareness" for all games, what discs it would use, and that the HDD would be optional
-The existence of Remember Me from Capcom, including a gif captured from the announcement trailer, TWO MONTHS before the game was revealed (it was apparently supposed to be at Sony's E3 conference last year)
-He claimed that Dead Rising 3 (also from Capcom, notably) would be at E3
-That Dead Space 3, prior to its reveal, would be a co-op focused game with less horror elements and more "shootbang"
-That Mirrors Edge 2 would be at E3

Edit: Really, you can google either cboat or crazy buttocks on a train and you'll see many examples and learn why his word is taken as the truth.

[jacory12]

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Interesting rumor floating around about the possibility of microsoft offering free xbox live with a X1 purchase. Here's the link to the article: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/...ree-xbox-live/

Although it's only a rumor, it would definitely even out the playing field a LOT more.

I'll cross my fingers and hope

[trobinson97]

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it was believed to be the only way to share games in the old system since you couldn't share the disc. The restrictions was that only one person could use it at a time and you had be be online.

but after hearing this, it's a good thing they ditch that plan.

Okay, I'll just say this and go back to listening. Say it was true that in exchange for you embracing their DRM and restrictions, they would in turn let you share your game library unrestricted with up to 10 people digitally as long as they were in your "family" group.

Can you not see how people would organize themselves into groups online, specifically to get out of paying (full price anyway)for games by joining "family groups" and playing for free (or putting in $6 per game for the group)with no restrictions? Because that's what would have happened. I wouldn't be surprised if some groups were already in the early stages of getting together just based on the assumption that the family share plan was like that.

From Microsoft's point of view, how would that be better than someone lending a disc to their friend? How does that make them and game publishers money? How many people do you think have 10 friends in real life that all borrow games from them on the regular? If you have one person who regularly borrows games from you, Microsoft and other game publishers might see that as one potentially missed sale. If you have 10, that don't even need your disc to "borrow" any game you have, well, I shouldn't even have to go on. It just wouldn't have made sense, common or financially.

For people to believe they'd be getting something like that...from Microsoft...I know a sucker is born every minute but damn.

[ghettogeeksta]

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Now that we know that Family Share was just a way to demo games, im really confused on why they took it away now!? I don't understand why it has to be all or nothing, why not let those who choose to digitally download games enjoy all the benefits they had planned for us? Im sure over they years once others see the benefits of going digital they will jump on board just like they originally planned and the physical gaming market would slowly die out, they don't have to abandon their entire gameplan do they?

[AirLobo23]

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Okay, I'll just say this and go back to listening. Say it was true that in exchange for you embracing their DRM and restrictions, they would in turn let you share your game library unrestricted with up to 10 people digitally as long as they were in your "family" group.

Can you not see how people would organize themselves into groups online, specifically to get out of paying (full price anyway)for games by joining "family groups" and playing for free (or putting in $6 per game for the group)with no restrictions? Because that's what would have happened. I wouldn't be surprised if some groups were already in the early stages of getting together just based on the assumption that the family share plan was like that.

From Microsoft's point of view, how would that be better than someone lending a disc to their friend? How does that make them and game publishers money? How many people do you think have 10 friends in real life that all borrow games from them on the regular? If you have one person who regularly borrows games from you, Microsoft and other game publishers might see that as one potentially missed sale. If you have 10, that don't even need your disc to "borrow" any game you have, well, I shouldn't even have to go on. It just wouldn't have made sense, common or financially.

For people to believe they'd be getting something like that...from Microsoft...I know a sucker is born every minute but damn.

It's absolutely ridiculous for you to criticize people for believing something that they were told by Microsoft themselves. None of this has even been confirmed either way.

[Trapper700]

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Okay, I'll just say this and go back to listening. Say it was true that in exchange for you embracing their DRM and restrictions, they would in turn let you share your game library unrestricted with up to 10 people digitally as long as they were in your "family" group.

Can you not see how people would organize themselves into groups online, specifically to get out of paying (full price anyway)for games by joining "family groups" and playing for free (or putting in $6 per game for the group)with no restrictions? Because that's what would have happened. I wouldn't be surprised if some groups were already in the early stages of getting together just based on the assumption that the family share plan was like that.

From Microsoft's point of view, how would that be better than someone lending a disc to their friend? How does that make them and game publishers money? How many people do you think have 10 friends in real life that all borrow games from them on the regular? If you have one person who regularly borrows games from you, Microsoft and other game publishers might see that as one potentially missed sale. If you have 10, that don't even need your disc to "borrow" any game you have, well, I shouldn't even have to go on. It just wouldn't have made sense, common or financially.

For people to believe they'd be getting something like that...from Microsoft...I know a sucker is born every minute but damn.

That's exactly what happened, though, as soon as people found out about it. From Penny Arcade's interview with Microsoft's Phil Spencer:
“It’s not ten different people all playing the game concurrently, but when you think about a real usage scenario, and we thought about it around a family, and I know certain people will create a family group of people that aren’t all part of the same family.

And I do think that’s an advantage, and people will use that. I saw it on NeoGAF instantly, the Xbox Family creation threads, where people said ‘Hey be a part of my family’

No birth certificates will need to be sent in! I do think that’s an advantage of the ecosystem that we have.”

It sure sounds like he was encouraging people to join up and form groups. But because MS never really fully explained the system, people wrongfully assumed it would be free/cheap games. His reaction makes a lot more sense when you think about it as the demo system leading to more exposure for the games and possibly a full purchase. Of course they want as many people to try it as possible.

I'm not saying it was the right assumption, because it was shown to be wrong (and like you said, didn't make much sense from a business perspective in the first place). Just that it did happen and it is what people were thinking (or hoping) Family Sharing would be.

[ghettogeeksta]

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Great sarcasm from Joe. Cool vid and arguments on why it wasnt the "whiners" who cost us "advancement and the future of gaming".

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AJ hit the nail on the head with this one, hopefully after a few weeks when M$ feelings are not as hurt they will implement DRM and the benefits they had planned, for those who choose to digitally download their games.