Xbox One

[Rocky2018]

Re: Xbox One

So 2 consoles, a traditional and a streaming box coming as early as 2020.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/07/microsofts-streaming-xbox-will-split-up-games-to-keep-latency-low/

We know Microsoft has been interested in developing a streaming service for many years. At this year's E3, the company reaffirmed that it's working on a streaming service that will allow games to be run in the Azure cloud and streamed to a relatively simple set-top box. This makes the end-user hardware much cheaper, but it has a consistent problem: latency. Every button press on the controller has to travel over the Internet to the server before it can be processed, and every frame of video similarly has to make the reverse trip before it can be seen. For games that don't rely on twitch reactions (RPGs or turn-based games, say) this is no big deal. But for games like first-person shooters, it's a huge problem.

According to Sams, Microsoft's solution is that the Scarlett Cloud box (as one person called it) will have some amount of processing power of its own. Not enough to run full games, but enough to do collision detection, input handling, and some amount of graphical processing locally without having to wait for the remote server. To do this, games are split into two parts (referred to as "slices" or "splices")—one part runs in the cloud; the other runs on the console.

The result is that Scarlett Cloud is apparently suitable for a wide range of games, even those that would normally be considered too latency-sensitive to be streamable. In fact, Sams reports that every Scarlett game will run on every Scarlett device, so streaming gamers won't be left out.

This sounds interesting and curious to see if they can really pull it off from launch

[mgoblue]

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I would think that a current Xbox One would be sufficient enough for a streaming option, unless they have to add hardware that makes things better?

[ODogg]

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I would think that a current Xbox One would be sufficient enough for a streaming option, unless they have to add hardware that makes things better?

I would too, but they probably want to make you spend another $150 or $199 or whatever a new streaming xbox will cost, LOL

[Cowboy008]

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I'm starting to run low on memory and don't want to delete any games. Is there a good external hard drive out?

[mestevo]

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I would think that a current Xbox One would be sufficient enough for a streaming option, unless they have to add hardware that makes things better?

It might be. It could depend on if there's some hardware changes that the current offerings can't do efficiently w/ software.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I'm starting to run low on memory and don't want to delete any games. Is there a good external hard drive out?

I just bought a 6TB about 2 months ago. I have a little 2TB left. I have many, many games

[mestevo]

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I'm starting to run low on memory and don't want to delete any games. Is there a good external hard drive out?

Many go w/ the Passport drives by WD, whatever fits your budget.

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_n...passport+drive

[joet6683]

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Not sure about Microsoft rewards..how do you get them?

it started with bing rewards a few years ago when I joined. Basically do searches on bing to get points. Now it converged xbox rewards with it so the points go in there. Just go to https://account.microsoft.com/rewards/ and sign in with your microsoft account (same as your xbox account.)

The daily search is the majority of the points, 5 points per bing search on PC, to a max of 150 per day. On the bing home page they have top searches so you basically can just click through all of those. It keeps you up on major stories without having to watch the news! Same for mobile bing search, 5 points per, to a max of 100. THat is a little more time consuming unless you put chrome into mobile mode as on a phone it takes a little longer. 20 points for 4 searches using edge (if you dont have win10 pc, you can use edge on your phone.) That is 270 points per day. If you rush you can get through in maybe a minute and a half.

Then daily there are 3 bonus items. Take this 3 question quiz on "insert topic here", look at these pictures, look at this yummy cake, etc. Those are 10 points each, but the quzzes are 30 or 50 points depending on the day of week. If you do all these bonus items, you get bonus points for day streaks. 10 days in a row is a bonus 150 points or so depending on the total day count.

With all that, i earn right around 10k per month.

40 points per dollar spent on the xbox store. Buy a game for $60, get 2400 points. That essentially is $2.50 back (in gift card value), or about 4%

other bonuses, like right now, buy and xbox one x from the microsoft store, get 50,000 points. that is almost $54 in gift card value. Or almost 2 years of xbox live gold. Or just about 9 months of game pass.

Then with all those points, rewards:
9300 points = $10 xbox gift card. The same equivalent value can be applied to $5, $25, and $50 cards.

17000 points = 3 month game pass code. Super cheap considering that is $18 in equivalent gift card value listed above.

29000 points = 1 year of gold code. Again, super cheap considering that is only $31 in equivalent gift card value.

There are other various rewards, sweepstakes, $5 gift cards for about 5000 points, etc.

[Rocky2018]

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Im having an issue where whenever I turn off my console then later turn it back on it forgets my internet information, then I have to again reset the system in order to put it back in again. Anyone else have/had or heard of this problem before and know how to solve it?

[marino13]

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Im having an issue where whenever I turn off my console then later turn it back on it forgets my internet information, then I have to again reset the system in order to put it back in again. Anyone else have/had or heard of this problem before and know how to solve it?

Happens to me too. Never happened with original Xbox one. Does with the x



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[Rocky2018]

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Happens to me too. Never happened with original Xbox one. Does with the x



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Yea thats what I have the X, it didn't happen until not too long ago but happens all the time now

[peter42O]

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Read about the next Xbox having two consoles at launch and reading about the streaming box in particular, it comes across to me as the same thing they tried to do back in 2013 - rush something that simply can't be done at the time. They even talk about some kind of meeting that they had back in early 2013.

Even in the U.S., the majority of mid-western states do not have good enough internet service to play games via streaming. Then add in other countries in the world and it's even worse. Granted, majority if not almost all of those other countries mean very little to Microsoft and Xbox since the vast majority of their user base is in NA and then Europe.

One thing I just found out about via a Podcast I watch on youtube is that in Europe (if I remember correctly) that while PC games in NA are digital only, there's still physical discs there of PC games for sale. Two reasons why - first, the consumers want the physical item and second, they simply don't have the internet capabilities to download/stream games.

I don't see the U.S. even being FULLY INTERNET READY until at least 2030 and that's probably being generous. Speeds are two slow, some areas barely have any service if at all and then you add in data caps for some people based on their internet provider and forget about it.

Just like with PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, the hardware manufacturers always seem hell bent on rushing everything way before they should do so. Majority do not have the money for this extra costs. Add in if you have a family, house, car, kids, etc. and your money is probably gone before you even earn it.

One other aspect that no one has taken into account is the simply fact that as of a few months ago, Net Neutrality is GONE. Come January 2019, internet providers are expected to be increasing prices starting or at a maximum of 15%. I honestly forget which. So streaming a game after paying $60 for it could cost a lot more than the base price. Granted, games themselves are more than $60 now if you take into account DLC, season/expansion passes, paying for Gold/Plus if you're an online gamer, etc. but the difference is that with the streaming service, you're all but guaranteed to be paying a lot more than $60 but yet, you're only getting the base game.

Have to wait and see how it all plays out but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if releasing a streaming box blows in their face like their restrictions and requirements did in 2013. Granted, the streaming box would be cheaper but that won't matter if your internet service isn't up to par or if you have data caps or if you're in an area that has no internet whatsoever.

I'm expecting the streaming box which is said to include a hard drive if I remember reading the article correctly to be $200 and the traditional console itself to be $500. Don't know about anyone else but im also expecting Microsoft to release their next console(s) in March 2020 in order to have a six month head start ahead of PlayStation 5. Also expecting Halo Infinite to be a launch title as well.

Microsoft's E3 2019 showcase will definitely be very interesting to say the least. And I for one am very much looking forward to it.

[ODogg]

Xbox One

Read about the next Xbox having two consoles at launch and reading about the streaming box in particular, it comes across to me as the same thing they tried to do back in 2013 - rush something that simply can't be done at the time. They even talk about some kind of meeting that they had back in early 2013.

Even in the U.S., the majority of mid-western states do not have good enough internet service to play games via streaming. Then add in other countries in the world and it's even worse. Granted, majority if not almost all of those other countries mean very little to Microsoft and Xbox since the vast majority of their user base is in NA and then Europe.

One thing I just found out about via a Podcast I watch on youtube is that in Europe (if I remember correctly) that while PC games in NA are digital only, there's still physical discs there of PC games for sale. Two reasons why - first, the consumers want the physical item and second, they simply don't have the internet capabilities to download/stream games.

I don't see the U.S. even being FULLY INTERNET READY until at least 2030 and that's probably being generous. Speeds are two slow, some areas barely have any service if at all and then you add in data caps for some people based on their internet provider and forget about it.

Just like with PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, the hardware manufacturers always seem hell bent on rushing everything way before they should do so. Majority do not have the money for this extra costs. Add in if you have a family, house, car, kids, etc. and your money is probably gone before you even earn it.

One other aspect that no one has taken into account is the simply fact that as of a few months ago, Net Neutrality is GONE. Come January 2019, internet providers are expected to be increasing prices starting or at a maximum of 15%. I honestly forget which. So streaming a game after paying $60 for it could cost a lot more than the base price. Granted, games themselves are more than $60 now if you take into account DLC, season/expansion passes, paying for Gold/Plus if you're an online gamer, etc. but the difference is that with the streaming service, you're all but guaranteed to be paying a lot more than $60 but yet, you're only getting the base game.

Have to wait and see how it all plays out but I wouldn't be surprised one bit if releasing a streaming box blows in their face like their restrictions and requirements did in 2013. Granted, the streaming box would be cheaper but that won't matter if your internet service isn't up to par or if you have data caps or if you're in an area that has no internet whatsoever.

I'm expecting the streaming box which is said to include a hard drive if I remember reading the article correctly to be $200 and the traditional console itself to be $500. Don't know about anyone else but im also expecting Microsoft to release their next console(s) in March 2020 in order to have a six month head start ahead of PlayStation 5. Also expecting Halo Infinite to be a launch title as well.

Microsoft's E3 2019 showcase will definitely be very interesting to say the least. And I for one am very much looking forward to it.

I work in telecommunications and net neutrality has little to do with plans for building out areas that don't have broadband. CAF 2 is about to start and that's going to get a lot of upgrading done. In fact that's what I am actually working on at my company right now and will be for the next two years.

Yes I agree that it's unlikely a streaming game system will do all that well because of the fact that so many people are rural and/or just don't have that fast of internet....but I am interested ti see what will happen when Microsoft introduces it as an option.

Also, net neutrality going away isn't going to raise prices, in fact, prices are probably going to drop across the board a bit when 5G seriously hits and there is much more competition. Once that penetrates the market, effectively mobile carriers like Verizon Wireless will then become a competitor as a full fledged wireless ISP to traditional ISPs like Comcast, Spectrum, etc

No need to worry about things like that, prices will continue to drop and speeds will continue to rise, especially in metropolitan areas.




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[peter42O]

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I work in telecommunications and net neutrality has little to do with plans for building out areas that don't have broadband. CAF 2 is about to start and that's going to get a lot of upgrading done. In fact that's what I am actually working on at my company right now and will be for the next two years.

Yes I agree that it's unlikely a streaming game system will do all that well because of the fact that so many people are rural and/or just don't have that fast of internet....but I am interested ti see what will happen when Microsoft introduces it as an option.

Also, net neutrality going away isn't going to raise prices, in fact, prices are probably going to drop across the board a bit when 5G seriously hits and there is much more competition. Once that penetrates the market, effectively mobile carriers like Verizon Wireless will then become a competitor as a full fledged wireless ISP to traditional ISPs like Comcast, Spectrum, etc

No need to worry about things like that, prices will continue to drop and speeds will continue to rise, especially in metropolitan areas.

I'll take your word in regards to the tech stuff but im fully expecting prices to increase. The reason why FCC wanted control is so the prices can get jacked up. There's also a difference between internet service on your cell phone compared to a home computer/laptop. For instance, I have T-Mobile for my cell phone service and Optimum for home internet. If I didn't have Optimum, im pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to connect online with my consoles using T-Mobile as opposed to having Optimum.

Instead of an actual increase, I wouldn't be surprised to see a "minimum" speed and that would be where the price increase would come in. For example, if you're at 100mbps but the minimum becomes 200mbps and you can't get anything lower, you're basically forced to paying more. So instead of say just increasing your price, they'll do it by implementing a minimum that you must have if you want the service which in turn increases the price.

Either way, im expecting a price increase come January. Of course, I hope you're right but I'll be shocked if next year, Optimum doesn't increase the cost of the package that I have.

[ODogg]

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I'll take your word in regards to the tech stuff but im fully expecting prices to increase. The reason why FCC wanted control is so the prices can get jacked up. There's also a difference between internet service on your cell phone compared to a home computer/laptop. For instance, I have T-Mobile for my cell phone service and Optimum for home internet. If I didn't have Optimum, im pretty sure that I wouldn't be able to connect online with my consoles using T-Mobile as opposed to having Optimum.

Instead of an actual increase, I wouldn't be surprised to see a "minimum" speed and that would be where the price increase would come in. For example, if you're at 100mbps but the minimum becomes 200mbps and you can't get anything lower, you're basically forced to paying more. So instead of say just increasing your price, they'll do it by implementing a minimum that you must have if you want the service which in turn increases the price.

Either way, im expecting a price increase come January. Of course, I hope you're right but I'll be shocked if next year, Optimum doesn't increase the cost of the package that I have.

Well think of it like PC and laptop prices, they are always moving downward due to technological advances, competition and consumer expectation. I cannot tell you stuff specifically we are working on where I work but I can tell you they are working on new ways to get a lot more bandwidth for a lot less money and when companies do, and I hope mine does, it will continue to drive prices downward.

I completely understand a cynical viewpoint as it's probably always best to expect worse and maybe get happily surprised but I know that being in the industry that there has been absolutely zero talk of increasing prices, in fact quite the opposite really. I can also say that Net Neutrality has not been discussed either in regards to company policy or technology, only vaguely in a personal discussion is all.

And as a long term contractor I have contacts at all the major companies, T-Mobile, Verizon Wireless, etc so its not just my own company I'm currently working for. Of course yeah there could be something yet to happen but I'm pretty sure that the CAF 2 (Connect America Fund) that was established to bring cheaper broadband to rural America is the real mover of the industry more than anything else in regards to lowering prices and expanding broadband options to people that do not have it right now.

In regards to what you fear, the price increase, I think if we see it it will come more from Netflix, Hulu, etc and I think if that does happen it will come about more from the companies wanting to capitalize on the public knowing about the end of Net Neutrality and being able to use that as an excuse to move the price up $1 or $2 or whatever more than anything the ISPs have done, or will do, to those types of companies in regarding their traffic.