OS Steam and Computer Gaming Thread

[Jgainsey]

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I am always looking to get the most out of my hardware so I have been reading about all of these new features. On a related note I am the proud new owner of an ASUS Astral 5080 GPU, omg the games!

Nice!

The initial reviews were a little down on the uplift compared to the 4080 super, but from what I’ve seen it looks like you can overclock/undervolt the **** out of those cards.


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[cjonesfan921]

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I am always looking to get the most out of my hardware so I have been reading about all of these new features. On a related note I am the proud new owner of an ASUS Astral 5080 GPU, omg the games!

I've been trying to get my hands on a 5090, even prebuilt... wild.

The prebuilds are being sold for insane amounts.

Guess I will wait. 3090 holding strong.

[ODogg]

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Nice!

The initial reviews were a little down on the uplift compared to the 4080 super, but from what I’ve seen it looks like you can overclock/undervolt the **** out of those cards.


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Yeah, I've been studying all of the tech for about a year, I believe the early numbers showing the 5000 cards a bit less ahead than people might expect means very little, the AI built into these cards are gonna rocket it up. In a year people will be like "remember when we didn't think there was much of a difference??"

and I can say, it's game dependent of course, but now on my 49" ultrawide I can, on most games, just set everything max and it looks fantastic. some require a bit of adjustment and still look great.

then there's cyberpunk who seemingly always wants more, lol

I've been trying to get my hands on a 5090, even prebuilt... wild.

The prebuilds are being sold for insane amounts.

Guess I will wait. 3090 holding strong.

I looked extensively for a 5090 to just get the top card, but I couldn't even find any, except for the what I consider to be crazy money (I know, subjective)

I am more than happy with the 5080. If you got a 3090 then you're good, so is anyone else, I am very happy with this, it gets more amazing each game, I absolutely am glad I did it, but I will say, it's of course a luxury, and I'm ok with that.

I also consider myself very fortunate to have this card, I come from humble beginnings back in the early Atari days so I know there are tons of issues in gaming, but I just have so much more excitement about it, sitting here playing games and tuning out all the noise

It's a wonderful time to have this hobby, it's crazy, its wildly erratic in cost, but that don't make it bad

[ODogg]

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I also must say, the resolution and FPS isn't at all the story to think about with these cards.

If you have ever doubted raytracing, turned it off because it's just too much, and yeah I did that quite a bit with my 4080 to get a better framerate but I hated it...

Well this card is really a major upgrade I think because of the raytracing and mirrors and polish on floors and texture detail is way, way better than on 4080

I think it's because the comparison they do is a linear one, but it seems as if, weirdly enough, these newer cards seem to thrive more on more detail

So although the resolution, frame rate may be the same on a 4080 vs 5080 there are a lot of major differences (luxuries) in regards to full raytracing and then you add the far, far better micro-detail and it really is a big visual difference.

But apples to apples frame rates are just, whatever they are, as you have said, studies show a leap of I think 15% but judging by how these cards work (turning down things often doesn't help frame rate, but you have to fiddle, it seems that often using all Ultra works just as well as using Medium, I know, it's all kinds of weird but that is the AI aspect

We will see, but yeah, don't listen to the naysayers, it of course is way overpriced, it's not as big of a leap as we all hoped, but it's still darned well worth it if you can afford it

If anyone wants to just see what I mean, instead of reading about it, look in my signature and watch some recent videos as I have been posting a lot of videos of the best games on PC since I got the 5080

See for yourself if you think it's much of an upgrade or not

[ODogg]

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Some 5080 gaming, omg, i'm just finding it hard to believe at this point still

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[mikenoob]

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What are your temps like with the Asus 5080 Shaun? I recently upgraded from an Asus TUF 3080 to the 5080 FE thanks to the NVIDIA priority access lotto. The 5080 runs everything much better in almost all aspects. More frames, temps are lower, less power draw.

MH Wilds especially has been a way better experience with frame generation. I can hardly notice the latency difference with frame gen on or off in that game. Alan Wake 2 was unplayable though with frame gen on. The latency did not feel good at all. Maybe it's because I played AW2 with mouse and keyboard where it's more noticeable and MH Wilds with controller.

[ODogg]

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What are your temps like with the Asus 5080 Shaun? I recently upgraded from an Asus TUF 3080 to the 5080 FE thanks to the NVIDIA priority access lotto. The 5080 runs everything much better in almost all aspects. More frames, temps are lower, less power draw.

MH Wilds especially has been a way better experience with frame generation. I can hardly notice the latency difference with frame gen on or off in that game. Alan Wake 2 was unplayable though with frame gen on. The latency did not feel good at all. Maybe it's because I played AW2 with mouse and keyboard where it's more noticeable and MH Wilds with controller.

I have been watching, it's 7 degrees cooler, however I still do have my case open, when I close the case I think it goes to 4 degrees cooler.

The 4080 was about 67-70 celsius at everything maxed

The 5080 is about 60-62 at everything maxed.

Do note I have the physically largest card (I have a full tower) with a 4th fan (they say is worthless as it only cools 2 degrees, uh ok but how is that worthless, whatever) and this crazy cooling internal system

I think it's just a big chunk and that is a big part of it.

You know I've played a ton of games and I believe now, that some games, it's not the card, it's the game, or the programming.

Because it seems nigh impossible for me to run every game maxed out, even with raytracing, everything, and it works good, if not great, sometimes max 240 hz

But yet that white whale, the Cyberpunk, humiliated me when I maxed everything out and went in...1 FPS............and it was so slow I had to sit there and wait until it exited.

I eventually hit Alt-F4 and exited. I sat and just cried for hours. Just kidding, I just went back in and turned off a few things here and lowered everything on Raytracing to Medium, from Ultra and that did it

So this card runs raytracing max on many games PERFECT. So it's the devs IMO that is why a 5090 exists

I bet even a 5090 couldn't do that game max.

That's not the only game though, there's a couple of other, minor games, where the RT isn't optimized but it works.

I have to say, raytracing and lighting, the way they were until recently, were likely never going to ultra, so at least this card can do it on most. I think the raytracing coding has come a long way as well, the newer games do it far better than older.

Some AC Shadows

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Some Warhammer 4000 Space Marine 2

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the lighting in this one, its so good

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[Jgainsey]

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I have been watching, it's 7 degrees cooler, however I still do have my case open, when I close the case I think it goes to 4 degrees cooler.

The 4080 was about 67-70 celsius at everything maxed

The 5080 is about 60-62 at everything maxed.

Do note I have the physically largest card (I have a full tower) with a 4th fan (they say is worthless as it only cools 2 degrees, uh ok but how is that worthless, whatever) and this crazy cooling internal system

I think it's just a big chunk and that is a big part of it.

You know I've played a ton of games and I believe now, that some games, it's not the card, it's the game, or the programming.

Because it seems nigh impossible for me to run every game maxed out, even with raytracing, everything, and it works good, if not great, sometimes max 240 hz

But yet that white whale, the Cyberpunk, humiliated me when I maxed everything out and went in...1 FPS............and it was so slow I had to sit there and wait until it exited.

I eventually hit Alt-F4 and exited. I sat and just cried for hours. Just kidding, I just went back in and turned off a few things here and lowered everything on Raytracing to Medium, from Ultra and that did it

So this card runs raytracing max on many games PERFECT. So it's the devs IMO that is why a 5090 exists

I bet even a 5090 couldn't do that game max.

That's not the only game though, there's a couple of other, minor games, where the RT isn't optimized but it works.

I have to say, raytracing and lighting, the way they were until recently, were likely never going to ultra, so at least this card can do it on most. I think the raytracing coding has come a long way as well, the newer games do it far better than older.

Some AC Shadows

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Some Warhammer 4000 Space Marine 2

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the lighting in this one, its so good

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Yeah, path tracing will still bring any card to its knees. Indiana Jones and Black Myth Wukong are similar recent examples of this as well, with their full ray traced or path traced modes. I wanna say Alan Wake 2 also utilizes a form of path tracing now, but I'm not 100% sure on that one.

The naming convention is a little confusing. It seems like some devs opt to refer to path tracing as full ray tracing at times when the game already has at least some ray tracing built into the game. So people don't always realize when they're turning on this god tiered graphics mode, lol.

You kind of need the full suite of DLSS features and one of their highest end cards to sniff a smooth enough feeling frame rate with some of these graphics options. I'd be interested to get your opinion on the new multi frame gen tech for a game like Cyberpunk. It would seem like you need at least a 180hz or higher monitor for the feature to be able to stretch its legs properly, but I'm really curious to try out the 3x and 4x frame gen to see how the latency feels.

[ODogg]

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Yeah, path tracing will still bring any card to its knees. Indiana Jones and Black Myth Wukong are similar recent examples of this as well, with their full ray traced or path traced modes. I wanna say Alan Wake 2 also utilizes a form of path tracing now, but I'm not 100% sure on that one.

The naming convention is a little confusing. It seems like some devs opt to refer to path tracing as full ray tracing at times when the game already has at least some ray tracing built into the game. So people don't always realize when they're turning on this god tiered graphics mode, lol.

You kind of need the full suite of DLSS features and one of their highest end cards to sniff a smooth enough feeling frame rate with some of these graphics options. I'd be interested to get your opinion on the new multi frame gen tech for a game like Cyberpunk. It would seem like you need at least a 180hz or higher monitor for the feature to be able to stretch its legs properly, but I'm really curious to try out the 3x and 4x frame gen to see how the latency feels.

I think we are on the same page. As for another related note, we have to remember that these 5000 cards are not static, ie with AI they can learn and become faster (to a certain point of course)

I also find issue with terminology, it is ALL over the map, and in some games they make it so you pick DLSS and you must pick quality, balanced, etc, but other games you pick DLSS and no upscaling, so there needs to be standardized graphic options across the industry I think

I'm in telecom and it's just sort of insane at this point, everything has different names that are the same thing and it causes total confusion constantly.

I also think, to add to even more uncertainty, some games now have photo mode, but it's a mode in which path tracing, etc are utilized the same as any other option, but you are only going to get 1 to 10 fps because it's a photo mode basically, and one game that has this is Cyberpunk 2077

That game is an epic game, but for people like me it has become a benchmark sort of, LOL, reminds me of Wing Commander in the 90's and Crysis more recently

I use it more as a bench, but i really should game more in that world as it truly is epic.

One reason I actually left PC gaming was the options were just so great, I spent more time on that then gaming. No more though, I think I'm definitely PC first, when money permits of course

I will continue to try to fiddle with this stuff and report back in

[ODogg]

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One thing of note to all, don't go too much by the FPS when you first enter a game using an RTX card, the 4080 would go into a game at like 45 fps, then get up to maybe 55-60 fps after the AI settled in and started to work

This card is even a larger difference, you can literally see the AI and how it works.

Last night went into Cyberpunk 2077 and was getting a solid 47-48 fps, not that great at all, but I was hoping it'd get better so i played on

After about 30 seconds I was at about 80 fps, and then it stayed that way for the rest of that session, so we went from 47 to 80, a much wider margin than the 4000 cards.

When you get into a game at first I think you need to play it a solid 5 minutes to see where you are before making any graphical adjustments.

[ODogg]

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11 minutes of Warzone in 4K on PC

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[Jgainsey]

Newegg is offering a great deal on trade-ins right now, so I’m going to use it as an opportunity for a modest upgrade to a 5070ti. There’s a decent chance prices only get worse from here anyway, so I think an AIB card in the $800s might be as good as it gets for a while.

[mestevo]

Yeah, I've had a 3090 sitting here collecting dust, I really should trade it up for something that I'd actually put into a machine at some point while they'll give me almost $500 for it.

[mikenoob]

Yeah, I've had a 3090 sitting here collecting dust, I really should trade it up for something that I'd actually put into a machine at some point while they'll give me almost $500 for it.

You can easily get $750+ selling it to someone. $500 is nothing. I sold my 3080 for $400 cash a couple weeks ago when I got my 5080.

[Jgainsey]

You can easily get $750+ selling it to someone. $500 is nothing. I sold my 3080 for $400 cash a couple weeks ago when I got my 5080.

Yeah, people are still paying a premium for the 3090s extra vram.