PlayStation 4 Discussion

[bigeastbumrush]

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By staying at $60, game prices are actually going down

http://kotaku.com/5986208/if-ps4-gam...ium=Socialflow

Yeah, but how much for DLC which every single game will undoubtedly have.

[Rules]

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How long did that guy practice that path through that stage of the game? For a while there I thought he was pantomiming playing a video feed until he let the two worst gamers on TV have a turn.

Seeing what was shown during the reveal and then seeing it played again:

1) The game is on a rail which I'm not a fan of.

2) The AI seemed dumb as rocks but hopefully that was for demo only.

3) Looks like no replay value as everything was exactly the same as the reveal.

Did you also notice they also were unsure whether to let them play???

[Burns11]

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It seems like the very first level of the game, so that seems to have quite a bit to do with it. It also seems like they scripted the play to show all these different aspects of the game (not that the game was scripted, the guy playing was following a script). That's also probably why they didn't want to hand it over, because they had this thing timed and rehearsed to show specific things in a specific time frame.

As for the game, it seemed typical Killzone: a vapid, but pretty, FPS.

[Burns11]

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By staying at $60, game prices are actually going down

http://kotaku.com/5986208/if-ps4-gam...ium=Socialflow

That inflation calculator is pretty amusing, I remember buying Phantasy Star 4 for Genesis for $80 which is $120 (!) today. That's not a special edition, I didn't get some statue with it, it was just the regular game. NES games were the equivalent of $100 today.

I think we might be lucky that game prices weren't creeping up every generation.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

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Cannot wait to see a sports game on this!!

[Phobia]

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I wanted to comment on the PC vs console price point debate. It is a considered viewpoint considering we as the consume would like to spend our money the best we can.

Console always had the convenience factor when it came to gaming. People like to simply sit on their couch, start a game with minimal effort, and enjoy themselves. PC's were always known as more "hardcore" and more complicated.

Now with that said, PC has come a LONG way in streamlining to be much more similar to consoles. Software apps like Steam & Origin have simplified buying and playing games with just a click of a button. Then with video cards with HDMI outputs & support of the 360 controller. PC gaming is basically identical to console gaming now.

Now with the price point as the next main point of consideration since the systems are so similar now. I built a PC back in 2008 that will still play everything on high, 1080p, and 30+ frames per sec. That is a 5 year old PC I built for 600 bucks, basically identical to the current consoles in terms of power, frame rates, resolutions, graphic fidelity, and life of the system. I can most likely get out another 2 to 3 years out this current system and MAYBE have to drop the graphics to medium yet still maintaining with the NEXT GENERATION consoles.

So with price being considered the two are pretty equal in just about everything. The positives and negatives for each are different though and that is the consideration people should consider, not the price point of entry.

For instance

PS4/XBOX 720
Positives
Ability to play more sport games
streamline UI
dedicated platform
Games designed for set hardware
easy patch/update ability

Negatives
dedicated platform
lack of moddable titles
lacks functions PC can do
Game cost is higher

Gaming PC
Positives
Higher frame rates (60+)
Higher graphic fidelity
Cheaper games (49 to as low as <$5)
Mods galore
control works same as console
More 3rd party software and devices

Negatives
Stigma from difficulty in entry
swap parts to further lengthen longevity of system(this can be a negative or positive based on your skill, ill list as negative since we talking about casual entry)
Less sports game (No football titles)
More difficulty updating games with patches sometimes

I'll say this about the console PC debates. I am not biased towards either one and I have done both enough to know the strengths and weakness of each. Now when I see people talking about how PC is this big expensive money pit all I can think about is how wrong and misinformed that person must be on the topic. If anything PC is cheaper by a long shot, because when your console becomes increasingly weak for the games they are creating, you can't pop in better ram or faster video card, you must swap entire system for a rebuild. I can get away with a 100 to 300 dollar fix and be good for 2 to 3 more years depending on the swap. The thing PC does well is allow the flexibility to game how you want, at the level you want, and on a much tighter budget than console games.

I can buy 3 to 4 times the amount of games on PC compared to console for the same cost. Software on PC is incredibly cheaper when compared to consoles. Then add to the fact consoles are basically PC's and it further shortens the gap of entry in my opinion.

Now one thing I will say I hope to see come to this generation of consoles that PC has had for sometime now and is a product I love to use for games like ARMA, Flight Sims, and Racing games. Head tracking hardware/software, I love mine on my PC and could not see playing a flight sim without it. Consoles now with the kinect and move the ability to utilize it is there. Imagine first person football with head tracking software!

Sorry for the somewhat of a rant, I just like both options for systems and don't like seeing PC kinda of take a bad rap for something it does not deserve.

[cjonesfan921]

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I'm all in on the PS4. Regardless of price.

I was 360 last time around, but back to Sony for next-gen.

[ghettogeeksta]

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I'm all in on the PS4. Regabecauserdless of price.

I was 360 last time around, but back to Sony for next-gen.

This is exactly how I feel, I was PS2 last gen, then I went to 360 because their online was better, now or looks like I'll be doing back to Playstation. But we still have to see what the 720 has to offer, but they have their work cut out for them.

[CubsHOF]

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Going back to digitally downloaded games, the big problem I see here is that with physical copies of games, I can at least sell them along with my PS3 if/when I decide to do so. Can I do that, at this point in time, with PSN purchases? No. The fact that they're on your account, their records, etc. and Sony is basically saying all that money you spent on PSN will go to waste unless you keep your PS3 is BS. That is completely unacceptable and all gamers/consumers should be miffed about that.

Simply put, whether it's Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, Steam/Valve, Google, Apple etc... You can't make a push for digital and then simply say all your purchases will be useless once the new hardware is out. If they're going to do that, they better have a way for us to sell these digital goods.

It does suck, but it is simply not possible to run PS3 software on a PS4. That is the important part to remember here. It was vastly important for the whole gaming world to move to the x86 architecture. The entire game world will grow leaps and bounds by the move the x86 it's importance cannot be overstated. The downside is no disc BC or PSN purchases on the PS4, when you look at it in the proper perspective it is a no brainer. Also this is not last gen where we moved from SD to HD and such a thing really mattered. Just use your PS3 for discs and PSN purchases, it is such a simple fix we cannot expect to hold the gaming world back exponentially when the small problems with the transition can be fixed so easily.

[CubsHOF]

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The top video card is not 1K.. if someone pays that... well..

I understand what you are saying, but the problem is, a PC is way more than a gaming device. It is a lot more useful than a console. If a PC just had gaming and media like Sony and Micrsoft (XBOX), then it would be cheaper to build a PC.

Yes, the Geforce Titan is $1k. The argument about PCs being more useful was true, 10 years ago. Today, no one buys desktops for the home. So if you want to game on the PC, you are paying out all of that money just to game. All most all of the PC stuff done in the home besides gaming is done on laptops, notebooks, ultrabooks, tablets, and smartphones. Also you can do much more with your consoles now that you use to be able to. Anything that the common person does on Windows they will be able to do on a console or smart tv. I love PC gaming, I have a rig of my own but the argument that we should compare just the GPU cost with the console cost or that they do much more than consoles is a dead one.

[Phobia]

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Yes, the Geforce Titan is $1k. The argument about PCs being more useful was true, 10 years ago. Today, no one buys desktops for the home. So if you want to game on the PC, you are paying out all of that money just to game. All most all of the PC stuff done in the home besides gaming is done on laptops, notebooks, ultrabooks, tablets, and smartphones. Also you can do much more with your consoles now that you use to be able to. Anything that the common person does on Windows they will be able to do on a console or smart tv. I love PC gaming, I have a rig of my own but the argument that we should compare just the GPU cost with the console cost or that they do much more than consoles is a dead one.

This is not true at all.

I can play Left 4 Dead 2 on my PC, shut the game down, then open a excel spread sheet and do work. I can finish playing ARMA 2 then turn around open up Vegas pro and edit my recorded footage. You can't do these things on a console. A desk top home PC is just as common today as it has ever been. Sure laptops, tablets, and smart devices have their place but to say desktop PC's are not common anymore is not true.

Now on that note, I will agree a standard family that does not do anything computer related will stick to a simple laptop or something. But if it is a family that does thing such as manage quick books, using spread sheets, writing papers, etc. You will find a desktop PC 99% of the time in the house. The detachable keyboard is a necessity when it comes to comfort and working efficiently.

Now has the tablet era closed the gap, certainly.

While consoles have closed the gap in functions it can do to be a multi-media device. It still falls short of the functions a modern desktop can do.

I'd say the biggest short coming in my eye of where desktops need to improve is case size. If they can downsize the case by a much greater margin and still allow good air flow for the high heat creating items like top in procs and gpu's then I think you would see them little more common under TV centers being used as multimedia devices to stream television, movies, blue rays, gaming, and just overall browsing net from your couch. The modern size of desktops has hurt desktop PC more so from this regard in my opinion.

For instance, can you imagine if xbox 720 came out and the console was this size. They expected you to put that under your entertainment center. That tower is 19"L x 8"W x 17"H. Now compare that to the Xbox 360 Slim that is 10"L x 3"W x 10"H. That means the xbox is literally about twice as small.



Instead everything has downsized, phones, laptops, etc. Yet the desktop PC has remain entirely the same, with midsize tier and upper tier still reigning the market. There needs to be some sort of assertiveness to downsize the cases while retaining good cooling because this would put more PC's in homes for multimedia devices to be used from the couch.

Desktop PC has hurt itself from this perspective.

[woz411]

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that's funny though, cause amazon listed the New Infamous games on there site at $99, I was like yeah OK buddy.

amazon video game twitter said it was a place holder

[RJTurneR]

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Today, no one buys desktops for the home. So if you want to game on the PC, you are paying out all of that money just to game. All most all of the PC stuff done in the home besides gaming is done on laptops, notebooks, ultrabooks, tablets, and smartphones.

That couldn't be any more further from the truth...

As Phobia have said, Desktop PC's are still as popular as ever, especially in terms of pre-built PC's e.g. HP, Dell, etc..

If you look, pre-built Desktop PC's are about the same size, maybe just slightly bigger, than a console now. If you stand both of them on their ends anyway. Laptops and Notebooks are great, but I still stand by what I have always said, and that's that they are pretty unreliable. Laptops can sometimes last 2-3 years and be done. A desktop can last you anywhere between 5-10 years.

The argument for gaming desktop's, as it always has been, is that is it way more expensive. This is both true and false. If you want a low end gaming PC, you could probably build one for around or less than £400 (About $600) if you do your research properly. Even still, you could build a high end PC for anywhere between £600-1000 ($900-$1,500). Ultimately, it comes down to how much time you spend comparing and researching what parts are best, price to performance, so on, so fourth.

The thing that has always set gaming PC's apart from consoles, is that you have the ability to pick and choose parts and get the best price to performance. Consoles are limited in terms of performance e.g. BF3 in 720p at only 30fps on console. I own both a PS3 and my own custom built PC, just so you know.

[CubsHOF]

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That couldn't be any more further from the truth...

As Phobia have said, Desktop PC's are still as popular as ever, especially in terms of pre-built PC's e.g. HP, Dell, etc..

If you look, pre-built Desktop PC's are about the same size, maybe just slightly bigger, than a console now. If you stand both of them on their ends anyway. Laptops and Notebooks are great, but I still stand by what I have always said, and that's that they are pretty unreliable. Laptops can sometimes last 2-3 years and be done. A desktop can last you anywhere between 5-10 years.

The argument for gaming desktop's, as it always has been, is that is it way more expensive. This is both true and false. If you want a low end gaming PC, you could probably build one for around or less than £400 (About $600) if you do your research properly. Even still, you could build a high end PC for anywhere between £600-1000 ($900-$1,500). Ultimately, it comes down to how much time you spend comparing and researching what parts are best, price to performance, so on, so fourth.

The thing that has always set gaming PC's apart from consoles, is that you have the ability to pick and choose parts and get the best price to performance. Consoles are limited in terms of performance e.g. BF3 in 720p at only 30fps on console. I own both a PS3 and my own custom built PC, just so you know.

Guys, you are welcome to your own opinions and not your own facts. I come on and only cite facts in my discussion and I expect the same of you. If you want to make stuff up, don't bother. First, desktop PC sales are in serious decline. The market is essentially non-existent for home use, I find it surprising that anyone who knows anything about computers would try to refute this it is a trend that has been going on for a decade and has only been growing further. All most all of the desktops current sold are sold to businesses leaving almost nothing sold to the home market. If you do not all ready know that the desktop has been entirely replaced by other forms of computing in the home, I doubt any form of reasoning or official statistics can convince you to keep up with the latest trends anyway. I can cite nearly 1000 articles of statistics, but if you guys are all about making things up and not interesting in facts then why bother if you really care you know how to use Google.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=29648

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/PC-...ple,19071.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2025926/intel-exits-the-desktop-motherboard-business-to-focus-on-new-form-factors.html

Additionally, the small form factor desktops you talk about being the size of consoles are not proper for PC gaming. You can not put a full sized gaming GPU inside a HDPC-desktop or upgrade the components which negates both the advantages of a desktop in the first place.

[TheBleedingRed21]

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Yes, the Geforce Titan is $1k. The argument about PCs being more useful was true, 10 years ago. Today, no one buys desktops for the home. So if you want to game on the PC, you are paying out all of that money just to game. All most all of the PC stuff done in the home besides gaming is done on laptops, notebooks, ultrabooks, tablets, and smartphones. Also you can do much more with your consoles now that you use to be able to. Anything that the common person does on Windows they will be able to do on a console or smart tv. I love PC gaming, I have a rig of my own but the argument that we should compare just the GPU cost with the console cost or that they do much more than consoles is a dead one.

Let me re-phrase myself, the top video card needed to max everything is not 1K..

Second, are you serious?...

Desktops are as popular as they have ever been. Have you ever heard of video editing? Music production? Photoshop? Millions of applications that the world uses are done through desktops. Never could be done with consoles as they are strictly entertainment devices.

High-End PCs that cost a lot are not only used for gaming. In fact, an i5 processor for gaming is cheaper than if someone wanted to do video editing, etc, they would want to go with an i7. This is an example to show that there are PCs that are built to be used for other things besides gaming that do run more expensive.

Speaking from experience, a basic home computer can not run music production, can not handle photoshop 3D capabilities, and you certainly will struggle with video editing.

So do not tell me that desktops are a thing of the past my friend. (Hint: Why do you think PC hardware changes so rapidly and comes out like it does?)

Before you claim I am biased, I own: PC, Laptop, PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U, Wii, Gamecube, PS Vita, and just recently sold my 3DS so yes I am quite fond of consoles and computers.