PlayStation 4 Discussion

[Smallville102001]

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5 years ago...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_Games_Week

https://www.parisgamesweek.com/en

Last year they had an attendance of 307,000 people. In comparison, E3 had 50,000 this year.

If you frequent sites like NeoGaf, or Reddit, it is well established. Also well covered on mainstream sites like IGN, etc..

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Wow that is odd I go on IGN and like n4g all the time and yet never heard of it in till last year.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Wow that is odd I go on IGN and like n4g all the time and yet never heard of it in till last year.

It started taking off the last 2 years due to attendance, and focus by publishers and hardware makers. Sony dropping some game announcements there helped as well.

That is why I think they will show it there, then release is by Black Friday for the holiday season. If not, it will be at their own event.

They did not have a conference at Gamescom last year, so I would be surprised if they have one this year. It is only two months from E3, and 2 months from PGW. Gives some time in between for things to cook longer.

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[Smallville102001]

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It started taking off the last 2 years due to attendance, and focus by publishers and hardware makers. Sony dropping some game announcements there helped as well.

That is why I think they will show it there, then release is by Black Friday for the holiday season. If not, it will be at their own event.

They did not have a conference at Gamescom last year, so I would be surprised if they have one this year. It is only two months from E3, and 2 months from PGW. Gives some time in between for things to cook longer.

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There have been rumors also that NEO was going to come out in 2016 and now is going to be 17 instead. So if that is true could we maybe see the NEO at the PlayStation experience and then the NEO comes out in early 2017 like march or April? I am still saying if it comes out this year it will be shown at Tokyo game show. If not there I think PlayStation experience is the last time we could see it if they are at least going to show it off this year because I don't see Sony doing some special thing to show it when they already have PlayStation experience in December and shows like gamescon, Tokyo game show ect to show it off.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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If not this year for release, and let's say next year due to the Puma/Zen CPU rumor, then they will show it at PSX.

It will not be shown at TGS, even if this year. It is no longer a limelight reveal to that demographic. Especially the enthusiast one.

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[daniel77733]

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Yeah, Sony isn't going to debut Neo at TGS. No point in doing so since consoles are dead in Japan. This is probably why Sony is debating between Gamescom and Paris Games Week. I'm guessing that if Neo launches in October, Sony will be at Gamescom. If it's November, then Sony will be at PGW. If it's 2017, then it will be at PSX.

Personally, Sony would be far better off either delaying it until 2017 or cancelling it outright because for them, right now it makes even less sense than it did a few months ago. It will be obsolete within a year. What's even the point?

To be perfectly honest, releasing PSVR and Neo within a month of each other can definitely turn out to be a bad move for Sony. This could be the "mistake" that many have been waiting for from Sony and since they're due, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it goes that way. Like the Kinda Funny guys say, this is simply an unforced move which in turn could become an unforced error.

[The JareBear]

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My prediction for still the same....October 13th. Same day as PSVR. Of course, Sony should delay it simply because it will be obsolete in a year's time. Even without that other console a year later, Neo is just a minimal upgrade and nothing special. If anything, I think that it's simply meant to help PSVR games as opposed to the console games itself.

All five opening games of Sony's E3 conference were running and being played off the current base PS4. Days Gone alone proved that Neo isn't needed.

As for PSVR, I see it as just another peripheral that will be awesome and amazing until the novelty of it wares off and people realize that they're getting hour experiences as opposed to actual games. Also, games for it need to be exclusive and built from the ground up for the PSVR. Not ports or as an added feature.

PSVR will have a decent run but within two years and no one including those who purchased it will care about it anymore.

Outside of Eve Valkrie, there's not a single game that's worth buying PSVR (or any of them for that matter) for. At least for me anyway.

I love how objective your posts are.

A.) We don't know for sure what the final Neo specs are. I just read an article saying it's only gonna be slightly less powerful than the the Scorpio.

B) VR is making a pretty big push to be a long time fixture. I don't think you can rationally say it's for sure, one hundred percent gonna be forgotten in two years.

C.) a lot of the VR demonstrations from E3 have people excited.

Open your mind, my man, everything isn't doomed from the start. The sky isn't falling.

[The JareBear]

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Personally, Sony would be far better off either delaying it until 2017 or cancelling it outright because for them, right now it makes even less sense than it did a few months ago. It will be obsolete within a year. What's even the point?

To be perfectly honest, releasing PSVR and Neo within a month of each other can definitely turn out to be a bad move for Sony. This could be the "mistake" that many have been waiting for from Sony and since they're due, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it goes that way. Like the Kinda Funny guys say, this is simply an unforced move which in turn could become an unforced error.

The first paraphrah isn't true. The second paraphrah is just the same thing you've been saying over and over and over and over again since Neo rumor was first announced.

We get it. You don't like upgraded consoles. You just parade your negative opinions around and represent them as facts.

As for the VR games being one hour, FOR SURE lets give the technology time to develop and grow before we label it garbage. Cmon man. They don't even have console systems powerful enough to take full advantage of VR on the market right now.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Why would it be 'obsolete', lol?

Man, some of the **** I read online.

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[seasprite]

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Which package do you have?

The elite


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[mestevo]

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PSVR will do fine. In fact, it is in better position than PCVR, due to having no competition at the moment, with a platform arena all to itself.

Sony as well as Vive and Rift know it will be a slow burn long term thing. Their strategies are built around it.

And they have over 60 games slated by the end of December, plus plenty of cross games PC devs are doing. There is plenty of full time experiences, lol.

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The problem w/ a slow burn is you can't really iterate on a $400 console accessory every couple of years, which is what's going to happen in the PC space. Vive is nice (and presumably Rift, and I'm sure PSVR is as well) but VR won't really hit it's stride until things are miniaturized a bit more and we can get 4k/eye.

I think the PSVR could do reasonably well, and MS is just positioning Scorpio to leverage a library of VR apps developed for both the PSVR and PC by using a 3rd party headset. Where things can go beyond that we'll see.

Anyone who is skeptical should absolutely go give it a shot at one of the demo stations, the Vive and PSVR demos especially. The Samsung VR stuff is just OK IMO.

[Smallville102001]

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If not this year for release, and let's say next year due to the Puma/Zen CPU rumor, then they will show it at PSX.

It will not be shown at TGS, even if this year. It is no longer a limelight reveal to that demographic. Especially the enthusiast one.

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What is the Puma/Zen CPU rumor?

[daniel77733]

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I love how objective your posts are.

A.) We don't know for sure what the final Neo specs are. I just read an article saying it's only gonna be slightly less powerful than the the Scorpio.

B) VR is making a pretty big push to be a long time fixture. I don't think you can rationally say it's for sure, one hundred percent gonna be forgotten in two years.

C.) a lot of the VR demonstrations from E3 have people excited.

Open your mind, my man, everything isn't doomed from the start. The sky isn't falling.

A) If Neo gets shown at Gamescom or even PGW, then it's pretty safe to say that the specs are final. If they aren't, then it gets delayed to 2017. Scorpio blows it away and it's not even close. The RAM alone makes Scorpio better for so many reasons and it's funny how Sony said that Neo wouldn't be at E3. Could it be, because they know that it's badly underpowered to Scorpio? Sony goes from having the superior console to having an inferior console isn't something that they exactly would want to talk about.

B) I think that VR (all of them, not just PSVR) will eventually just fade away for one main reason - because peripherals have never succeeded long term. Kinect is probably the most successful and now, it's dead with minimal to no support. Once the novelty of VR wares off, it will be like all the rest - collecting dust. Other reasons include - having to wear a helmet on your head while playing. Sorry but I don't see gamers playing a game for hours on end with a helmet on their head. Third, 90% of the games aren't "games", they're experiences. Sorry, $400 isn't worth the cost of just having experiences. Fourth, the majority of games are nothing major or even impressive and the few that are such as Eve are multi-platform. There's nothing on PSVR (or VR in general) that interests me enough to even think about buying it. Another reason why I don't think it will last is that it needs a huge install base in order to get good to great games and exclusives. And even if it does get a huge install base, by the time that happens, publishers would have already moved on.

C) I know. I have read those impressions as well but everything is impressive and good when you're playing it for free.

My mind is open. There's a few games on PSVR that could be good but im just not interested in playing games that way. Especially when I can play for hours on end. When you add in the fact that it is a peripheral and all have been failures, I just don't see it as the future. That's all.

The first paraphrah isn't true. The second paraphrah is just the same thing you've been saying over and over and over and over again since Neo rumor was first announced.

We get it. You don't like upgraded consoles. You just parade your negative opinions around and represent them as facts.

As for the VR games being one hour, FOR SURE lets give the technology time to develop and grow before we label it garbage. Cmon man. They don't even have console systems powerful enough to take full advantage of VR on the market right now.

It would be obsolete because what it originally was going to be would be surpassed by the competition. Also, Neo is basically making the current PS4 obsolete just like every gen makes the previous gen obsolete. It's just how it goes. I don't agree or like it but that's how it goes.

I don't like Neo at all. It's a minimal at best upgrade for at least $400 or more that quite honestly, isn't needed at all. Almost 42m consoles sold since launch. All five exclusives that were shown to start their E3 conference were all confirmed to be running and played off the current base PS4. I don't like upgraded consoles because it's a stupid ******* idea especially when it's only a minimal upgrade.

I do like Scorpio though as that makes a lot more sense. Xbox One is underpowered and always seems to have trouble running games at the same resolution/fps that PS4 runs the games at. Also, it's four years after Xbox One launched which is the same as what they did with Xbox to Xbox 360. For Microsoft, it makes sense especially since Scorpio is far more powerful. If it was some minor upgrade and released this year, I would be saying the same thing.

It's just that from a Sony standpoint, I just don't see how Neo benefits them or anyone in general. To me, it's like they want to shoot themselves in the foot. As for me saying my opinion are facts, history proves it as facts. Oversaturation kills your brand. See Sega. Then, they are doing two things which have never been done in console gaming. First, Neo will be more money than the current PS4 which has never been done before in any generation and second, it will be a mid-gen console which has also never been done in any generation so in this regard, I say these are facts because well, they are.

As for VR, I think the technology and all that is awesome. I just don't see it taking off or getting anywhere close to where consoles and basic games are. A lot of people fail to realize that at the end of the day, majority of gamers want to play with a controller in their hand and the game on their TV. That's not going to change any time soon if ever.

Maybe VR will do great and in time, be the current thing but my opinion is that it won't simply because history says it won't and until that history gets broken, then that's what im going to go buy. It also doesn't help matters when right now, it's not really games that you're buying and playing. It's experiences and none of those experiences are worth $400. Maybe, down the line when actual full fledged games come out including RPG's (any kind, im just using this as an example because they would be long 50+ hour games), VR will be real good. But at launch? Nope.

in fairness though, I do actually have interest in a few PSVR games but it's so minimal that there's a better chance of me buying Neo instead.

[Smallville102001]

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Yeah, Sony isn't going to debut Neo at TGS. No point in doing so since consoles are dead in Japan. This is probably why Sony is debating between Gamescom and Paris Games Week. I'm guessing that if Neo launches in October, Sony will be at Gamescom. If it's November, then Sony will be at PGW. If it's 2017, then it will be at PSX.

Personally, Sony would be far better off either delaying it until 2017 or cancelling it outright because for them, right now it makes even less sense than it did a few months ago. It will be obsolete within a year. What's even the point?

To be perfectly honest, releasing PSVR and Neo within a month of each other can definitely turn out to be a bad move for Sony. This could be the "mistake" that many have been waiting for from Sony and since they're due, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it goes that way. Like the Kinda Funny guys say, this is simply an unforced move which in turn could become an unforced error.

Why does it make less sense then it did months ago? That makes zero sense. We don't know how powerful the NEO is going to be for sure only had rumors and even if it is less powerful then what xbox1 is doing next year a NEO would still make it so that the gap in power between xbox1 and ps4 is still smaller then if sony did nothing and just wanted in till like 2018 for a ps5 or something. I do think NEO is going to come out next year though because of the VR thing. I don't think you want to come out with VR that cost 400 and a more powerful ps4 at the same time to much of a cost and to much going on at the same time.

[Smallville102001]

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A) If Neo gets shown at Gamescom or even PGW, then it's pretty safe to say that the specs are final. If they aren't, then it gets delayed to 2017. Scorpio blows it away and it's not even close. The RAM alone makes Scorpio better for so many reasons and it's funny how Sony said that Neo wouldn't be at E3. Could it be, because they know that it's badly underpowered to Scorpio? Sony goes from having the superior console to having an inferior console isn't something that they exactly would want to talk about.

B) I think that VR (all of them, not just PSVR) will eventually just fade away for one main reason - because peripherals have never succeeded long term. Kinect is probably the most successful and now, it's dead with minimal to no support. Once the novelty of VR wares off, it will be like all the rest - collecting dust. Other reasons include - having to wear a helmet on your head while playing. Sorry but I don't see gamers playing a game for hours on end with a helmet on their head. Third, 90% of the games aren't "games", they're experiences. Sorry, $400 isn't worth the cost of just having experiences. Fourth, the majority of games are nothing major or even impressive and the few that are such as Eve are multi-platform. There's nothing on PSVR (or VR in general) that interests me enough to even think about buying it. Another reason why I don't think it will last is that it needs a huge install base in order to get good to great games and exclusives. And even if it does get a huge install base, by the time that happens, publishers would have already moved on.

C) I know. I have read those impressions as well but everything is impressive and good when you're playing it for free.

My mind is open. There's a few games on PSVR that could be good but im just not interested in playing games that way. Especially when I can play for hours on end. When you add in the fact that it is a peripheral and all have been failures, I just don't see it as the future. That's all.



It would be obsolete because what it originally was going to be would be surpassed by the competition. Also, Neo is basically making the current PS4 obsolete just like every gen makes the previous gen obsolete. It's just how it goes. I don't agree or like it but that's how it goes.

I don't like Neo at all. It's a minimal at best upgrade for at least $400 or more that quite honestly, isn't needed at all. Almost 42m consoles sold since launch. All five exclusives that were shown to start their E3 conference were all confirmed to be running and played off the current base PS4. I don't like upgraded consoles because it's a stupid ******* idea especially when it's only a minimal upgrade.

I do like Scorpio though as that makes a lot more sense. Xbox One is underpowered and always seems to have trouble running games at the same resolution/fps that PS4 runs the games at. Also, it's four years after Xbox One launched which is the same as what they did with Xbox to Xbox 360. For Microsoft, it makes sense especially since Scorpio is far more powerful. If it was some minor upgrade and released this year, I would be saying the same thing.

It's just that from a Sony standpoint, I just don't see how Neo benefits them or anyone in general. To me, it's like they want to shoot themselves in the foot. As for me saying my opinion are facts, history proves it as facts. Oversaturation kills your brand. See Sega. Then, they are doing two things which have never been done in console gaming. First, Neo will be more money than the current PS4 which has never been done before in any generation and second, it will be a mid-gen console which has also never been done in any generation so in this regard, I say these are facts because well, they are.

As for VR, I think the technology and all that is awesome. I just don't see it taking off or getting anywhere close to where consoles and basic games are. A lot of people fail to realize that at the end of the day, majority of gamers want to play with a controller in their hand and the game on their TV. That's not going to change any time soon if ever.

Maybe VR will do great and in time, be the current thing but my opinion is that it won't simply because history says it won't and until that history gets broken, then that's what im going to go buy. It also doesn't help matters when right now, it's not really games that you're buying and playing. It's experiences and none of those experiences are worth $400. Maybe, down the line when actual full fledged games come out including RPG's (any kind, im just using this as an example because they would be long 50+ hour games), VR will be real good. But at launch? Nope.

in fairness though, I do actually have interest in a few PSVR games but it's so minimal that there's a better chance of me buying Neo instead.

A. Even if the NEO is shown this year that doesn't mean it is going to be under powered compared to what xbox is doing. I don't know how you get that. Yes that could mean its specs are final but how does that mean it is under powered when we don't even what its specs are in the first place? We have only seen rumor just rumors. What if we hear about the NEO this year and its specs are higher then the rumors say or what if they show it this year and it doesn't come out in till late next year like xbox? That would give them the same amount of time to have high specs like xbox does.


B. I agree with about VR


C. If NEO makes ps4 worthless then you can say the same thing about the more powerful xboxone making this current xboxone worthless to. You say NEO will be more then current ps4 but again that is also going to be true with the newer xbox next year compared to the current xbox. Again we don't know if NEO is going to be just a small update like you said. If you are saying that NEO is a mid-gen console then so is XBOXones more powerful system next year and if NEO does come out next year then both the NEO and more xboxone will be at about 4 years from ps4 and xboxone. So most of those things you say about the NEO are true about the more powerful xbox to.

[daniel77733]

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Why does it make less sense then it did months ago? That makes zero sense. We don't know how powerful the NEO is going to be for sure only had rumors and even if it is less powerful then what xbox1 is doing next year a NEO would still make it so that the gap in power between xbox1 and ps4 is still smaller then if sony did nothing and just wanted in till like 2018 for a ps5 or something. I do think NEO is going to come out next year though because of the VR thing. I don't think you want to come out with VR that cost 400 and a more powerful ps4 at the same time to much of a cost and to much going on at the same time.

For Sony, it makes no sense at all. Why? 42m consoles sold since launch. Why even risk screwing that up? Less sense than it did months ago because the competition has a far superior console. The way Neo was going to be marketed ended once Scorpio was announced and confirmed. Sony either has to delay it so they can upgrade it or just release it and how it sells, it sells.

Microsoft releasing Scorpio makes sense for them. I don't like it but it makes sense for them. It doesn't make any sense for Sony at all. Sony is literally crushing the competition by a 2-1 scale. They shouldn't even think of releasing Neo for one simple reason - they're winning, easily and it's not even close.

I still think that Neo comes out in October but if it is November, it has to be before Thanksgiving weekend so they get sales for the holidays. Neo is basically going to be a slight upgrade for those who want a slightly better visual experience but Scorpio is as close to being a new console without it actually being a new console.

I simply disagree with Neo because I don't think that Sony needs to release it, it serves almost no purpose and games can run great on PS4. It's all about the developers having the time to correctly optimize the game and the publishers giving them the time to do so. It has nothing to do with the PS4 console itself.