PlayStation 4 Discussion

[The JareBear]

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Whenever they do release the Neo I'm hoping stores will have an upgrade program for people who already have a PS4 and are wanting to get a Neo.

Yeah I hope so too, man.

I am keeping a close eye on this to try and maximize my trade-in value whenever that ends up happening, even if I need to be without a PS4 temporarily to capitalize on best deal.

[NYGiants4Natic]

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Be aware that retail employees aren't going to have Sony confidential information. Regardless of his status of employment ranking.

I would take anything he tells you with a grain of salt.

true but he has been right about gears bundle in all red and he has been right about slim this year and in 3 skus along with scorpio next holidays

He might not be perfect but he has gotten a few....I trust him but does not mean is gospel

[NYGiants4Natic]

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Also do not worry as GameStop will offer trade ins but the value is subjective as some might want most of it covered which wont be the case

Right now at gamestop you get 200 for the ps4 and if that stays on a 450 console you cant ask for much more

PS4 has kept a good value and I feel you might get 250 on 450 console

[daniel77733]

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Comparing NEO to the base PS4, it is a minimal upgrade. It's not as good as some think it is. People who know far more than I do said that based on the leaked specs, it's no guarantee that games hit 1080P/60FPS let alone anything better. The 4K stuff isn't for games at all. It's for all the video content. Personally, I think both companies are pushing for 4K too soon. They should wait to it really builds a user base of gamers so they can properly take advantage of it all.

For NEO at the rumored leaked specs (which if it releases this year, I think those specs are accurate) turn out to be true, I would say that you'll get 1080P/locked 30FPS on a consistent basis. Only developers who could do better would be the first party studios.

While frame rate is more important than resolution, I actually have a bigger concern than both - all the "pop-in"/"pop-up" that's in virtually every single game regardless of the console, publisher and developer. It's beyond annoying especially when it can be a lot at times. Granted, optimization comes into play but to see this in virtually every single game is ridiculous in my opinion. Really hope the upgraded consoles eliminate as much of this as possible.

Scorpio will blow away NEO based on all the current specs and yeah, it will be able to run games in 4K but you'll still be able to play them on current HDTV. Games will be like the games for PS4 once NEO gets released in which there's two modes and which gets selected will be based on the console you own - Scorpio or slim/base.

I see $450 for NEO as too high. $400 should be the maximum. The console was $400 three years ago and consoles are supposed to decrease in price and despite the disc drive, it shouldn't go past $400 while the base should go down to $300.

Scorpio should probably be $500 or more based on the specs but I see Microsoft taking the loss on the console. Microsoft isn't Nintendo. They want to be number one. They want to dominate. And if it means losing money to do so, that's what they will do. Besides, I think Scorpio being about 15 months away will allow them to release the console at $400.

Think about it...if NEO comes out later this year at $400 and Scorpio comes out a year later for $400 but blows away NEO spec wise, let's be honest, NEO will look obsolete in comparison. That's another reason why I think that Microsoft would take a loss on the console. Wouldn't be the first time and sure as hell wouldn't be the last time.

As for trade in deals, Microsoft has already said that they will be working with retailers for trade in deals towards Scorpio but no one knows how good those deals will be. I don't see Sony doing any kind of trade in deals. I do see GameStop doing trade in/trade up deals but I think that's way more GameStop than Sony and/or Microsoft.

Really hoping for trade in deal for the base Xbox One towards the 500GB slim. That will make me happy.

As for NEO and Scorpio, right now my interest is 5% and 0% respectively. I'll wait for Digital Foundry to do comparison videos especially for NEO if it launches this year with the leaked specs. If the difference is minimal, I'll just stay with my base PS4.

Scorpio's interest is zero because PS4 is my primary for multi-platform games and after State of Decay 2, I don't have a single exclusive for the console so for me personally, Scorpio isn't of any interest to me.

Just have to wait and see what happens. I still don't like any of it at all but the bigger issue is will Sony release NEO and PSVR at the same time? To me, that's very risky.

As for NX, I'll be surprised if it even matches the base Xbox One in terms of specs and power. I truly see another gimmick based console. As of right now, there's a better chance of me buying the rumored SNES Classic console than NX. LOL.

[The JareBear]

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Comparing NEO to the base PS4, it is a minimal upgrade. It's not as good as some think it is. People who know far more than I do said that based on the leaked specs, it's no guarantee that games hit 1080P/60FPS let alone anything better.

For NEO at the rumored leaked specs (which if it releases this year, I think those specs are accurate) turn out to be true, I would say that you'll get 1080P/locked 30FPS on a consistent basis. Only developers who could do better would be the first party studios.
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I couldn't disagree with you more. In fact I think youre dead wrong. Could you post links to where these "experts" have said these things, as you claim they have?

The leaked specs, comparing them to what I have personal experience with having upgraded and built three different PCs over the last 6 years, comparing the rumored power of the NEO to how it compares to PCs I have gamed on, should be absolutely capable of 1080p and 60fps, the question will be the bells and whistles. Will it be equivalent to ultra settings? Hybrid ultra/high/, ultra/high/medium, etc. Probably will see all play out in different games from different devs. In either case there should be potentially significantly improved experiences on NEO compared to stock ps4. Definitely not a "minimal upgrade."

I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know. But that's just my opinion.

[daniel77733]

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I couldn't disagree with you more. In fact I think youre dead wrong. Could you post links to where these experts have said these things, as you claim they have?

The leaked specs, comparing them to what I have personal experience with having upgraded and built three different PCs over the last 6 years, should be absolutely capable of 1080p and 60fps, the question will be the bells and whistles. Will it be equivalent to ultra settings? Hybrid ultra/high/, ultra/high/medium, etc. Probably will see all play out. In either case there should be potentially significantly improved experiences on NEO compared to stock ps4.

I honestly don't think you know as much as you think you know. But that's just my opinion.

Fair enough. The info is on neogaf. Just look for the Neo and Scorpio topics. They all know more than I do and if the majority say that hitting 1080P/60FPS on a consistent basis on NEO will most likely not happen, im going to believe them as again, they know more than I do. Not only that but majority there know all the PC stuff that I don't give a damn about.

Once NEO gets released, I'll just wait for the Digital Foundry comparison videos for the games running on the base PS4 and NEO. Based on what I have read, I just don't think that NEO will be as big of an upgrade as people think it's going to be. We just have to wait and see.

[Artman22]

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Yeah I guess the more I think about it, maybe the Scorpio does launch for 500 or less.

If the power difference between NEO and Scorpio is as rumored, which again I have no idea what is gonna end up happening, but if the RUMORED specs are true, the Scorpio is obviously pretty significantly more powerful than NEO and in that case I would have to think Sony keeps it 75-100 dollars less than whatever the Scorpio is.

For the record I know nothing about business, merchandising, etc. I am just guessing as a guy who loves to spend money on cool stuff, lol. I could be way off

In all fairness I'd be willing to pay $600 for Scorpio given the specs it will have. It's going to be a powerful console, but I don't expect others to feel the same. I tend to always want the latest tech stuff so it's different with me. I remember paying $600 for the PS3 when it first came out. I bought 2 consoles and sold one on eBay for $1200.


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[KingTocco]

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Regardless it's still gonna be a nice upgrade and I'm all about that life


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[ckarlic]

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Regardless it's still gonna be a nice upgrade and I'm all about that life


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Agreed. Just want to know a release date for this thing so I can pre-order it already

[The JareBear]

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In all fairness I'd be willing to pay $600 for Scorpio given the specs it will have. It's going to be a powerful console, but I don't expect others to feel the same. I tend to always want the latest tech stuff so it's different with me. I remember paying $600 for the PS3 when it first came out. I bought 2 consoles and sold one on eBay for $1200.


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I agree. My initial guess was it would go for 550-600 and I would happily pay that. I think it's gonna be awesome, just like I expect Neo to be comparatively awesome for a cheaper price.

Either way, should be great times ahead for us gamers!

Just my opinion, of course. For me, what I look for, I just don't see a downside right now.

[KingTocco]

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Agreed. Just want to know a release date for this thing so I can pre-order it already

Same here, I'll hit that pre-order so fast haha


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[The JareBear]

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Same here, I'll hit that pre-order so fast haha


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Same here as well, gonna be hitting that pre-order button as soon as it goes up.

[LowerWolf]

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I'm still rocking my 2007 LCD with no immediate plans to upgrade, so 4K doesn't matter to me (yet). But I'm still warming up to the Neo.

After posting this, I realized it was kind of silly to be willing to upgrade my 3-year-old PS4 but not my 9-year-old TV.

Now that I'm on the 4K wagon, I'll almost certainly go with the Neo when it's released. I love my PS4 and want this gen to last as long as possible. If a mid-cycle update pushes the PS5 out a bit, I'm all for it, even though I realize the Neo may have zero affect on a PS5.

[DickDalewood]

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you can take it as you want. I get the info from a gamestop manager but am a nobody and I just relay what I hear

Also the Know show on YT said same thing so there is that

But thanx for pointing it out

Well, then your statements should be prefaced with "my source at GameStop" or "from what I've been told" or even a simple "IMO"; not posted as fact. They're far from it. A GameStop manager (or GameStop employee in general) is not exactly the type of source I would be staking my reputation on.

An opinion is one thing, we all have them, but the amount of nonsense I hear spewed from behind the counters at GameStops is laughable. That information certainly shouldn't be relayed on here as hard truth.

[GamingJones]

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Regardless it's still gonna be a nice upgrade and I'm all about that life


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This is like the launch of the PS4 and XBox all over again. So much speculation. Enjoy the ride folks!