PlayStation 4 Discussion

[daniel77733]

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Lots of reaching/exaggerating going on here. Your first paragraph is just wrong and your second one doesn't make sense. Developers are not the ones handling Xbox backwards compatibility. They have a separate team of engineers doing it. Any argument trying to make backwards comp into a negative is silly imo. Especially the one making it sound like Microsoft is only doing it because they sold less consoles. The numbers are there. People enjoy being able to play their whole library on one console. It was a highly requested feature that they did a great job getting together. Best part is if you don't like it.....don't use it.

While there is a separate team handling the backwards compatibility on Microsoft's part, it's up to each individual publisher to get the game up and running without any problems and I don't want to see any publisher doing that. Also, instead of Microsoft spending money on backwards compatibility, why not put that money towards a new first party studio instead? You know, for the future as opposed to the past.

Backwards Compatibility is a negative to me simply because what's the point in buying a new next generation console if im still going to play the previous gen games? This gen, we had nothing but ports, cross gen and remasters for the first 18 months if not more. If publishers stop wasting all those resources on that stuff, start development earlier rather than later, maybe we would actually get games that are new earlier as opposed to 18 months later.

Microsoft pulling off backwards compatibility was a great accomplishment and an awesome consumer friendly move but if you truly believe that they would have done the same thing if they were winning 60M to 30M then wow. All of Microsoft's consumer friendly moves have been because they're losing 2 to 1, period. It sure as hell isn't out of the kindness of their heart.

I have seen the numbers. 210M you posted by end of 2016. I would love to know what the hours are for Xbox One games are compared to Xbox 360 games played on Xbox One. If Xbox 360 games is higher than Xbox One, im sorry but that's a disgrace and tells me that I should have just stayed with Xbox 360 as opposed to moving onto the next generation.

Also, it's funny how people want backwards compatibility but yet, were quick to sell those old consoles, weren't they? If you want backwards compatibility, keep your old hardware. Unless you already own the game, you have to buy the game again. Sorry but that's just milking your consumers with a so called consumer friendly move.

Don't get me wrong though - PS Now is total and complete crap and that's being generous.

Of course, it was a highly requested featured, compared to the library on Xbox One, Xbox 360 blows it away so not really a surprise.

My thinking is simple - you move on with a new TV, car, house, whatever. Once you move on with a new console, I want to play new games. Not games I already played twice and look obsolete or even bad to where if anything, it will ruin the game for me since I would see it differently compared to when I first played the game.

But again, to each their own. If companies do it, great but if not, no biggie.

[ricky24]

PlayStation 4 Discussion

I have seen the numbers. 210M you posted by end of 2016. I would love to know what the hours are for Xbox One games are compared to Xbox 360 games played on Xbox One. If Xbox 360 games is higher than Xbox One, im sorry but that's a disgrace and tells me that I should have just stayed with Xbox 360 as opposed to moving onto the next generation.

You can't actually think there is a chance this is the case. One of the crazier things I've ever read on here. These is no chance that more time has been spent playing 360 games than One games.


I'm also pretty sure your publisher comment is false. The publisher just needs to give permission and the Microsoft engineers do the dirty work.

Again just don't use it. None of what you're saying in all those paragraphs makes it a negative. Pretty sure you have the same outlook on online modes if I remember right though. Anything you don't use you don't want any time spent on. It's not a great pov to have. You can't expect a company like Microsoft or Sony to cater just to your needs.

[daniel77733]

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You can't actually think there is a chance this is the case. One of the crazier things I've ever read on here. These is no chance that more time has been spent playing 360 games than One games.

I don't think it which is why I said "if". I would love to know the numbers though. Wouldn't you?

[daniel77733]

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I'm also pretty sure your publisher comment is false. The publisher just needs to give permission and the Microsoft engineers do the dirty work.

Again just don't use it. None of what you're saying in all those paragraphs makes it a negative. Pretty sure you have the same outlook on online modes if I remember right though. Anything you don't use you don't want any time spent on. It's not a great pov to have. You can't expect a company like Microsoft or Sony to cater just to your needs.

Some articles that I have read states that the publisher has to test it themselves and then go through Microsoft for certification. Don't know if it's just Microsoft or both.

My outlook in regards to online gaming is different. I don't see it as a negative. I see every publisher trying to force an online component into every game they developer as a negative because not every single game needs to be open world, include online, have co-op, etc. It depends on the game itself, the context and narrative.

Also, online gaming still moves forward, towards the future. Backwards Compatibility doesn't. In fact, it says what it is - "backwards". I buy new consoles to play new released games. It's like saying, I own a PS4 Pro (which I do) but what the hell, let me go play Killzone 3. Even I would say to myself, WTF? LOL.

Also, to me, backwards compatibility is just another way for the publishers to milk you and buy the game again (if you don't already own it to the same account or own the disc) so while it's a consumer friendly move, it also comes at a cost. If I had to choose between backwards compatibility or a new IP from Microsoft that would be a day one purchase for me, I would easily go with the new IP. As a gamer, that's what I want.

Take E3 for example. I'm hyped and pumped for every press conference simply because im interested in a lot of games that are coming out (eventually). Not games that are a decade old or two gens ago.

And instead of backwards compatibility, I would much rather have that game (if it's popular enough) remastered and if it's a game im interested in and didn't play, I would gladly pay $60 for it. $20 for an old port that's a decade old? Meh. No thanks.

I'm not expecting companies to cater towards only me but I will say that Sony for example and PS4 caters to me a lot more than Microsoft or Nintendo. Ubisoft caters to me more times than not.

With all of that said, I personally don't care about backwards compatibility one way or the other but at the same time, it was/is a smart business decision for Microsoft to do. For Sony, it wouldn't be simply because of the investment they made in Gaikai which yes, was a huge waste of $380M.

[ricky24]

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Yeah I get it. It's ok to look forward the future of gaming and still enjoy older titles though. Nothing wrong with that at all. There are some timeless gems out there.

[Boltman]

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Thanks for the reply man. I picked up the Collective Minds Strike Pack for $40 to try out the paddle style and it definitely makes a difference despite being completely foreign. I was looking at the Impact so it's good to hear positive feedback.

For the price you aren't going to beat it.

They work awesome, no issues.

If you're using a wireless headset even better.

[countryboy]

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Anyone here getting the gold PS4?


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[Kearnzo]

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For the price you aren't going to beat it.

They work awesome, no issues.

If you're using a wireless headset even better.

Are you talking the strike pack? If so, it really does seem to work well. I may stick with it, but the number of options with the Scuf controllers are pretty crazy.

Time will tell I guess. I'm basically done with Destiny, but I have been jumping on to get used to a paddle style controller. The advantages are obvious, it's just so hard to re-program muscle memory that I've developed over 800 hours.

[GamingJones]

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Are you talking the strike pack? If so, it really does seem to work well. I may stick with it, but the number of options with the Scuf controllers are pretty crazy.

Time will tell I guess. I'm basically done with Destiny, but I have been jumping on to get used to a paddle style controller. The advantages are obvious, it's just so hard to re-program muscle memory that I've developed over 800 hours.

For Destiny having jump on a paddle is huge. I usually put slide on the other to help with mobility.

[Kearnzo]

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For Destiny having jump on a paddle is huge. I usually put slide on the other to help with mobility.

I mapped slide to the other paddle as well. Definitely a big difference sliding around corners while being able to aim. Would've made slide shotgunning a bit easier back when everyone ran around with a god rolled shotgun.

[JMD]

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You can't actually think there is a chance this is the case. One of the crazier things I've ever read on here. These is no chance that more time has been spent playing 360 games than One games.

When I first got my X1 and I was way late to the party, I played Tomb Raider, Halo 5 , Gears 4 , Horizon 2 and The horrible Forza 5. at this point my X1 is glorified 360. All I play now are 360 games on it. Battlefield Bad Co 2 , black Ops 2, Far cry 3 , Red Dead, Rage and many others. I'm actually glad it has BC because if not I would feel like I threw my money away buying it. For as much as I loved the Xbox 360 So much i bought two so when one broke I could keep gaming, I equally hate the Xbox one. I won't even consider a Scorpio until I see what Sony's next offering will be and at this point I'm so soured on Microsoft I'd probably buy a PS4 pro over a Scorpio.

Also I'm the kind of guy that likes to hang on to old games and consoles if possible. I currently have my PS4, Xbox one , PS3 and Xbox 360 connected to my TV. And I have these and a ton of games in my closet.

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[rudyjuly2]

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I think BC is important in the first 1-2 years when a new console comes out as game selection is small and it lets you trade in your old console to help pay for the new one. But I personally have almost no interest in going back and playing older, uglier games when the new libraries are so big now.

[seasprite]

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I think BC is important in the first 1-2 years when a new console comes out as game selection is small and it lets you trade in your old console to help pay for the new one. But I personally have almost no interest in going back and playing older, uglier games when the new libraries are so big now.

The only thing I would like BC for are the Plus freebies that come out every month. Really want to play this Pirates game that was offered for May, but cant unless I purchase a PS3. If at the very least they would allow BC for digital games, then that would satisfy me.

[ricky24]

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When I first got my X1 and I was way late to the party, I played Tomb Raider, Halo 5 , Gears 4 , Horizon 2 and The horrible Forza 5. at this point my X1 is glorified 360. All I play now are 360 games on it. Battlefield Bad Co 2 , black Ops 2, Far cry 3 , Red Dead, Rage and many others. I'm actually glad it has BC because if not I would feel like I threw my money away buying it. For as much as I loved the Xbox 360 So much i bought two so when one broke I could keep gaming, I equally hate the Xbox one. I won't even consider a Scorpio until I see what Sony's next offering will be and at this point I'm so soured on Microsoft I'd probably buy a PS4 pro over a Scorpio.
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I get that there is always an outlier. You're probably in the minority though. BC is a cool feature that's always good to have but the current generation of games are obviously always going to get more attention. I'll never complain about having the ability to pop games like red dead and gears 3 into one of my consoles moving forward though.

[jeremym480]

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Once a new system comes out I pretty much never go back to the old system/games. I mean, I still have my 360 and PS3, but the 360 just gets used maybe once a year for Guitar Hero and the PS3 is a blu-ray player only at this point. I see stuff like the NES Classic and think "that would be cool to have", but deep down I know that I would play it for a weekend and then rarely (if ever) touch it again.