Brokeback Mountain

[NYG_Meth]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

Let it be known, Anne Hathaway went to my highschool and my brother hooked up with her.

[heelsman22]

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And for "supporting" them, to me, supporting them is to do whatever they want so that they are happy, it's not going to change my life at all, so I don't see the big deal.

I think you meant to say "supporting them is to let them do whatever they want so that they are happy"

While that is supporting their rights, its not exactly supporting them, its just being indifferent.

I agree with your views as far as gay marraige and all that stuff goes, they have their rights and I support that. I don't hate gay people, but that doesn't mean I have support all of their views or anything does it?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there is a difference between supporting someone's rights, and just supporting someone overall.

[Graphik]

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Being open-minded does NOT mean that you have to be completely accepting and willing to honor, appreciate, etc. everything simply because something exists or someone engages in it. Someone mentioned a form of this a little earlier in the thread and said it well. You examine the matter, you consider all the information or as much as is feasible and you draw a conclusion based on what you learn. If you don't happen to agree with matter at hand, after having considered it, you have taken an open-minded approach to it. That is why the term homophobe is a misnomer. Because I don't agree with or approve homosexual behavior does not mean I'm scared or anxious about it. My belief and my understanding, which has taken decades to form as I have looked, listened and read a variety of information about this, is that homosexual behavior does not follow the natural purpose for humankind on this earth. Had I not spent any time examining this aspect of the world and simply made that conclusion, especially early on in my life when your thinking processes are not as defined or refined, then I would be acting in a close-minded approach. Therefore, these terms are not about acceptance, but about how one discerns information, and then ultimately, values.

Don't get me going about morals.....that's a whoooooole 'nother thing!!

I think I get what you're saying. You're saying that one cant be truly open-minded but can take a open minded approach to an issue?

[NovaStar]

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I never said that I support everything, all I mentioned was homosexuals.

Obviously pedophila is wrong, but nowhere in my post did I mention it being right, so this doesn't matter.

All my post dealt with was homosexuality and nothing else.

But Acid that is the point. Some people view homosexuality as being no different than the things I've mentioned. It doesn't mean their minds are closed or they are discrimminating, they just don't agree with the lifestyle. You have pedophiles making the same arguments that gays make. To follow their arguments to its end, anyone that doesn't agree with them would be a pedophobe.

[Acid]

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I think you meant to say "supporting them is to let them do whatever they want so that they are happy"

While that is supporting their rights, its not exactly supporting them, its just being indifferent.

I agree with your views as far as gay marraige and all that stuff goes, they have their rights and I support that. I don't hate gay people, but that doesn't mean I have support all of their views or anything does it?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, there is a difference between supporting someone's rights, and just supporting someone overall.

Fair enough, I just don't see the big deal about the whole homophobic thing (not saying you're homophobic, I'm just speaking in general right now, no one in particular).

Maybe I'm too easy-going and I don't really pay too much attention to it, I dunno.

I just find it absurd that when I wear my San Francisco State University sweatshirt (my sister goes there), I constantly get people saying homophobic things.

[Graphik]

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That might just be you... Others, myself included, don't see the need to bend over (pun intended) backwards to placate others.... Having a tolerant attitude, in many people's eyes, is support enough.... If I or anyone else chooses not to see this movie because of the way they view the issue, I don't think it makes them less supportive or tolerant of homosexuality.... I worked with a gay dude in one of my old college jobs years ago... It was the first time I ever had any regular constant contact with someone who was gay, but I soon learned he was a cool cat... Other people, you could tell they wore their discomfort on their sleeve.... Me, I could talk with him and chat like nothing.... I think THAT kind of treatment lends is the "support" that such ones appreciate, rather than just spending money on a movie you really don't agree with so that you can say "hey, I saw Brokeback Mountain... I'm a supporter!!!"

I dont think he means it like that. As in going out of your way to sopport them. How can one not hate gays but also say that they wont sopport them. As in treating them like a regular human being. And the term shouldn't be "hate", some one mentioned that they just disagree with them. Very understandable.

[keRplunK]

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Would you support the "Grown the mens' Right to love little boys" organization. Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal. If you do not support this are you denying pedophiles their right to be happy? Are you also closed minded? If a 60 year old man having sex with a 12 year old boy was in a movie, would you go see it? Again, the movie Lolita dealt with this, so it could happen under the scenerio I have given.

"Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal."

Go back in time and you will find unjust laws.

Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals is stupid.

It's just like people who say, "Gay Marriage! That's sick. What if a man wants to marry a dog, is that OKAY too, where do you draw the line?"

[kirkhart]

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Would you support the "Grown the mens' Right to love little boys" organization. Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal. If you do not support this are you denying pedophiles their right to be happy? Are you also closed minded? If a 60 year old man having sex with a 12 year old boy was in a movie, would you go see it? Again, the movie Lolita dealt with this, so it could happen under the scenerio I have given.

Those antiqutated sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court. They didn't just cover "gay sex", they also outlawed oral sex between a man and a woman.

Nice....comparing the actions of 2 consenting adults to pedophillia. There is no comparison to the two and that argument is lame. Using your logic, I guess you are for a man having sex with a 10 year old girl since you only believe in male-female relationships.

If people don't want to watch this movie for any reason, it's no big deal. You have a right to your opinions. I personally am not bothered by homosexuality. I think the only open-mindedness you really need is to undertsand that a lot people do some whacky stuff in the privacy of their bedroom, whether it's male-female, male-male, female-female, and it should be none of your business.

[NYG_Meth]

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I haven't seen the movie, but why are gay relations being compared to pedophilia? Pedophilia is not restricted to homosexuals. Pedophilia involves underage children, male or female, and the adults that get pleasure out of taking advantage of them sexually.

[heelsman22]

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Maybe I'm too easy-going and I don't really pay too much attention to it, I dunno.

I'm the same way man, I don't see how it affects me.

[BGarrett7]

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I haven't seen the movie, but why are gay relations being compared to pedophilia? Pedophilia is not restricted to homosexuals. Pedophilia involves underage children, male or female, and the adults that get pleasure out of taking advantage of them sexually.

I believe it is being used more as an analogy of something which most people are disturbed by.

[keRplunK]

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But Acid that is the point. Some people view homosexuality as being no different than the things I've mentioned. It doesn't mean their minds are closed or they are discrimminating, they just don't agree with the lifestyle. You have pedophiles making the same arguments that gays make. To follow their arguments to its end, anyone that doesn't agree with them would be a pedophobe.

Pedophiles who make the same argument are taking advantage of kids.

Homosexuals have relationships as consenting adults.

Big difference.

And yes, if you believe homosexuality should be against the law, you are a bigot.

[kirkhart]

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"Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal."

Go back in time and you will find unjust laws.

Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals is stupid.

It's just like people who say, "Gay Marriage! That's sick. What if a man wants to marry a dog, is that OKAY too, where do you draw the line?"

the slippery slope defense is pretty much the dumbest argument when trying to debate any point, much less gay marriage.

[bad_philanthropy]

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I don't understand all these cultural taboos that are especially present here in North America. Many of them revolve around the same sentiments of ridiculous Victorian era values. Why must anyone react negatively to someone who is homosexual? It is not as if gay people run around in roving bands of murderous pirates. Are people afraid they are going to be seduced by a gay person and fall into some sort of destructive behavior? I guess I don't understand what sort of fear makes people view gays as a lesser human being than a straight one.

[NYG_Meth]

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I believe it is being used more as an analogy of something which most people are disturbed by.

Well, given it's my own personal opinion, but that's just plain stupid and ignorant.