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  • Rocky
    All Star
    • Jul 2002
    • 6896

    #76
    Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

    Originally posted by aholbert32
    I just dont understand statements like that. What does emotion have to do with? Like someone said earlier DMX was powerful and emotional and no one says he is a top 10 rapper. Same goes for MOP. Lyrical Ability is the #1 thing for a rapper. I just dont see how anyone can rank Pac over rappers like KRS or Jay or Nas or Rakim when people openly admit that he isnt a lyricist.

    They're have been better "lyricists" than Nas, Rakim, and Jay. What made them top MC's though and what Pac does almost better than anybody is his flow, the relevance to what he is saying, and his ability to make you relate and feel what he is trying to convey. A whole lot of cats can throw out a bunch of slick metaphors, but they can't make it mean something like the why Pac did it.
    "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
    -Rocky Balboa

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    • Vince
      Bow for Bau
      • Aug 2002
      • 26017

      #77
      Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

      Man, X was better than Pac IMO. Most people would say that all his albums before the "Great Depression" were absolute classics.
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      • Kashanova
        Hall Of Fame
        • Aug 2003
        • 12695

        #78
        Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

        Damien is a hot song

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        • Streets
          Supreme
          • Aug 2004
          • 5787

          #79
          Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

          Originally posted by Vinceanity2k3
          Man, X was better than Pac IMO. Most people would say that all his albums before the "Great Depression" were absolute classics.
          "It's Dark..." was the only undisputed classic IMO, but I agree that X is better than Pac.

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          • ehh
            Hall Of Fame
            • Mar 2003
            • 28960

            #80
            Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            This always cracks me up. I remember back in 95' before Pac's death, NOBODY was saying he was a top lyricist. He was definetly popular but no one would rate him over a Rakim or KRS back then. Its funny how dying makes you a better rapper.
            I don't know a single person who was listening to rap pre-1996 who thinks Pac is the best rapper ever. I really never dug any whole albums of his cept for the Makaveli joint.

            Just ask all these people who think Pac is the best rapper ever to name all of his albums off the top of their heads. I'll bet $100 that they can't do it. All they got is his friggen Greatest Hits that dropped in '97 and a few post-humous albums.
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            • ehh
              Hall Of Fame
              • Mar 2003
              • 28960

              #81
              Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

              Originally posted by forensicd
              No honorable mention for mos def? His ryhmes are smart and smooth.
              I love Mos Def but c'mon, he's got a classic solo album and a classic joint-album w. Kweli after a dozen years in the game. He need(ed - if he's sticking to acting from here on out) way more material to get Top 10 status.
              "You make your name in the regular season, and your fame in the postseason." - Clyde Frazier

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              • aholbert32
                (aka Alberto)
                • Jul 2002
                • 33106

                #82
                Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                Originally posted by Rocky
                They're have been better "lyricists" than Nas, Rakim, and Jay. What made them top MC's though and what Pac does almost better than anybody is his flow, the relevance to what he is saying, and his ability to make you relate and feel what he is trying to convey. A whole lot of cats can throw out a bunch of slick metaphors, but they can't make it mean something like the why Pac did it.
                What was so relevant about Pac? What was he saying while he was alive that was so different than what others were saying? The 9 other rappers on this top ten list have just as many "uplifting" or "message" songs as Pac. The 9 other rappers made songs that people in the streets could relate to. Pac had a nice flow but so does Snoop and I know Snoop isnt a top 10 rapper. Its the combination.

                What makes KRS or Jay or Nas a top 10 rapper is the combination of a nice flow and lyrics. Pac is missing one of the key components.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #83
                  Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                  Originally posted by ehh
                  I don't know a single person who was listening to rap pre-1996 who thinks Pac is the best rapper ever. I really never dug any whole albums of his cept for the Makaveli joint.

                  Just ask all these people who think Pac is the best rapper ever to name all of his albums off the top of their heads. I'll bet $100 that they can't do it. All they got is his friggen Greatest Hits that dropped in '97 and a few post-humous albums.
                  Great point. I dont know how you can be top 5 and not even have a classic album.

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                  • Streets
                    Supreme
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 5787

                    #84
                    Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                    Originally posted by aholbert32
                    Great point. I dont know how you can be top 5 and not even have a classic album.
                    Well according to MTV, he has 4 undeniable classics, lol

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #85
                      Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                      Originally posted by Streets Disciple
                      Well according to MTV, he has 4 undeniable classics, lol
                      LOL

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                      • goh
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 20755

                        #86
                        Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                        It's obvious groups aren't included but to put Emeniem at #9,I still think that's terrible. I don't like Jay-Z either so I can't say I agree with him being #1.

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                        • kuruption
                          MVP
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 870

                          #87
                          Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                          Originally posted by ehh
                          I don't know a single person who was listening to rap pre-1996 who thinks Pac is the best rapper ever. I really never dug any whole albums of his cept for the Makaveli joint.

                          Just ask all these people who think Pac is the best rapper ever to name all of his albums off the top of their heads. I'll bet $100 that they can't do it. All they got is his friggen Greatest Hits that dropped in '97 and a few post-humous albums.
                          i think pac is one of the greatest (top 5 ) and i can name every single one of his albums. ( ive

                          i dont think x is better than pac . i think "me against the world " is a undeniable classic.

                          ive been listening to rap since 93 . pac is a quality artist .
                          ive said it before and ill say it again - hes overrated by mainstream only fans and underrated by backpackers.
                          Last edited by kuruption; 04-18-2006, 12:24 AM.
                          And with the third pick - I made the earth sick
                          M.J., hem Jay, fade away perfect

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                          • grunt
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 9527

                            #88
                            Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                            Originally posted by aholbert32
                            This always cracks me up. I remember back in 95' before Pac's death, NOBODY was saying he was a top lyricist. He was definetly popular but no one would rate him over a Rakim or KRS back then. Its funny how dying makes you a better rapper.
                            So, true. If Pac was alive today he wouldn't rate himself higher than KRIS or Rakim. I think/know that KRIS is the greatest MC ever. I been listening to rap/hip hop since 1979. I remember hip hop before KRIS and after and few MCs can match his track record and none of those top 10 guys would want to battle KRIS.
                            Last edited by grunt; 04-18-2006, 08:49 AM.

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                            • Kashanova
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 12695

                              #89
                              Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                              Originally posted by goh
                              It's obvious groups aren't included but to put Emeniem at #9,I still think that's terrible. I don't like Jay-Z either so I can't say I agree with him being #1.
                              eminem is another overrated guy, he had to great albums with slim shady and marshall mathers other then that he went back to meatloaf and apple pies

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                              • Rocky
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 6896

                                #90
                                Re: mtvs top 10 greatest rappers ....

                                Originally posted by aholbert32
                                Great point. I dont know how you can be top 5 and not even have a classic album.
                                Both Don Kulamanati and All Eyez On Me got 5 mics in The Source(in a time where that still meant alot). Me Against The World is, IMO, his best album and also considered a classic as well.
                                "Maybe I can't win. But to beat me, he's going to have to kill me. And to kill me, he's gonna have to have the heart to stand in front of me. And to do that, he's got to be willing to die himself. I don't know if he's ready to do that."
                                -Rocky Balboa

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