Neil Young - Living With War

[pk500]

Re: Neil Young - Living With War

"He's an entertainer and I know all the entertainers feel it's their civic duty to voice their politics, but I wish they'd stick to entertaining and keep their political opinions to themselves regardless of what they are."

Reading is fundamental.

Regardless, your argument is beyond weak.

And what if Neil Young is more well-versed and well-read about American political issues than many American politicians and American citizens? Because he wasn't born here he should keep his mouth shut?

And Young has been the musical conscience for two generations. He's entitled to his voice.

And as hard as this might be for you to grasp, there are some people out there who find musical political commentary both <b>enlightening and entertaining</b>. I guess Sean Hannity and Ann Coulter haven't approved of that yet.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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Because people in their positions have no idea what goes on behind closed doors and why decisions are made for the best of our country. They are speaking out of pure ignorance. I'm sure they have their own experiences with love/sex/relationships, religion, and other artists, but they don't diddly squat when it comes to what and how things affect our country and their decision making.

In other words, you put blind trust and faith into every decision your political leaders make? There must be a dictator somewhere in the world today who would love for you to join his merry band.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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Not true at all. Entertainers have the biggest and most wide-reaching medium with which to affect people. And for some reason they feel the need to use it so spout things they have absolutely no idea about. (e.g. Dixie Chicks, Sean Penn, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, and now Neil Young).

I think some of their actions are borderline treasonous, but that's me.

But it's OK for flag-waving patriots like Toby Keith, Lee Greenwood and Charlton Heston to espouse their causes -- as long as they're conservative, right?

Hypocrisy 101.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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Again....I have no issue with people voicing the political beliefs, but my issue is when you start calling the President of the U.S. a liar and calling for his impeachment all because you are fed a few lines you have no idea about and then use your wide-reaching medium to impression young people.

But what if a conservative artist called for the impeachment of Clinton in 1999? You would have been all over that, whistling it in the shower and putting it on heavy rotation on your CD player.

Your attitude is typical of most conservatives in the U.S. Most conservatives call themselves hardcore patriots, yet they endorse censorship or muting of non-conservative viewpoints. News flash: This country was formed with freedom of speech, of ALL viewpoints, as one of its pillars. And thousands have died to protect that right, a right the so-called "patriotic conservatives" would love to neuter.

Take care,
PK

[SportsTop]

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Do you have to share an artist's beliefs in order to enjoy a work in which they are expressing their viewpoint? Are enjoyment of a work and belief in what is being expressed exclusive, or can they co-exist seperately? Would it be acceptable for a Neil Young fan to enjoy and support this release, even if they had a differing opinion on the matter of content?

No, you don't.

Green Day's American Idiot is one of my all-time favorite albums and we all know how politically motivated that was and which direction they swing.

Again, anyone can feel free to voice their opinions and speak their mind. It is when people use their celebrity as a means of influencing the younger generation to pass their uniformed opinions on them.

And again, it's one thing to sing about loving your country and supporting it, but it's quite another to call its leader a liar and ask for his impeachment based off snippets of uninformed information.

[pk500]

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Yeah....he's a terrorist. Give me a break.

Move along little sheep....move along.....baaaaahhh.

Rhetoric without substance. Typical.

I guess I should expect a Dick Cheney-like "Go f*ck yourself" as a response.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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I'll close my discussion on this topic stating this:

A lot of you don't even know what you don't know. It isn't your fault, but that's just the way it is and you and the country are probably better off for it.

Sometimes I envy how blind some people are (by choice or not) and wished I lived in your euphoric world. In the end though, I'd rather be armed with all the information and make an educated decision, rather than being fed snippets of information and led to believe things a certain way.

Please, shed some light on us, oh wise one. Because so far, you've shown that you know very little except for typical evasive, conservative rhetoric.

Enlighten us, please. We can handle the "truth."

Take care,
PK

[SportsTop]

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Rhetoric without substance. Typical.

I guess I should expect a Dick Cheney-like "Go f*ck yourself" as a response.

Take care,
PK

How immature was the post I was responding to?

Typical of you to overlook that as well. I should expect as much though.

Again, it's hard to have intelligent conversation/debate with people who aren't armed with all the information. Not your fault, that's just the way it is.

[pk500]

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Before this gets locked...

I agree with Squint and Sherik in a small way. I think majority of entertainers don't know anything about politics (except I have to give props to George Clooney, he has gone there and he has researched the Sudan situation, he knows what he is talking about) and usually just go by there political party when they speak (democrat? hate on republican president, republican? hate on democrat president) and really don't know what they are talking about.

OK, then what makes entertainers any different than politicians? With the exception of someone like John McCain, who better damn well be our next president, what politician doesn't play the partisan game and actually crosses the aisle from time to time?

You act as if partisanship is the exclusive domain of entertainers. That's comical.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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It's the irresponsibility of doing so when their opinion is formed without all the facts.

And believe me, no "entertainer" ever has all the facts.

Well, either did the President of the United States when he ordered the invasion of Iraq in 2003. So I guess Neil Young and George W. Bush have more in common than we think.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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No, you don't.

Green Day's American Idiot is one of my all-time favorite albums and we all know how politically motivated that was and which direction they swing.

Again, anyone can feel free to voice their opinions and speak their mind. It is when people use their celebrity as a means of influencing the younger generation to pass their uniformed opinions on them.

And again, it's one thing to sing about loving your country and supporting it, but it's quite another to call its leader a liar and ask for his impeachment based off snippets of uninformed information.

So what makes Green Day so informed in your eyes and mind? Because you know "American Idiot" was about as anti-Bush as any rock record in the last two years, short of maybe Steve Earle's latest record.

What separates Billy Joe Armstrong from Neil Young?

Take care,
PK

[SportsTop]

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So what makes Green Day so informed in your eyes and mind? Because you know "American Idiot" was about as anti-Bush as any rock record in the last two years, short of maybe Steve Earle's latest record.

What separates Billy Joe Armstrong from Neil Young?

Take care,
PK

Absolutely nothing. I just happened to like the music, but it doesn't mean I have to like them personally or agree with what they stand for (and I don't). I was simply responding to the question posed by BGarrett.

[Scottdau]

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So what makes Green Day so informed in your eyes and mind? Because you know "American Idiot" was about as anti-Bush as any rock record in the last two years, short of maybe Steve Earle's latest record.

What separates Billy Joe Armstrong from Neil Young?

Take care,
PK

Because when you get Billie's age, you start to sing about the world and politics. The days of drugs, sex and rock and role are done with Green Day! That is why I get tire of Bands making Albums about the Government's. I like Green Days Album, but I am bias. But I don't like what they talk about in that album. And if anybody as the right to complain about America then I would say Neil has more of a right then Billie lol, but just because he is older

[Fresh Tendrils]

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How immature was the post I was responding to?

How immature was the post I was replying to, your post calling Neil Young et al "borderline treasonous." He isn't selling arms to the Al-Qaeda or trying to tap into phonelines, he's simply using his right to free speech. How is that treasonry?

[BGarrett7]

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No, you don't.

Green Day's American Idiot is one of my all-time favorite albums and we all know how politically motivated that was and which direction they swing.

Again, anyone can feel free to voice their opinions and speak their mind. It is when people use their celebrity as a means of influencing the younger generation to pass their uniformed opinions on them.

So, you enjoy American Idiot dispite the fact you think Green Day's recording of it was "weak"? I would also be willing to wager that Neil Young has a much better grasp of what is going on in this country than someone like Billie Joe Armstrong.

And again, it's one thing to sing about loving your country and supporting it, but it's quite another to call its leader a liar and ask for his impeachment based off snippets of uninformed information.

Expression is expression. You don't have any right to say what is acceptable for someone to voice their opinion on. Just as Toby Keith has his right to side on pro-war and sing about it, Neil Young and anyone else has a right to side on anti-war and sing about it. If people are willing to pay their personal income to hear you perform, then you have every right to voice your beliefs and opinions to them, no matter what they may be.