The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

[CaptainZombie]

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My guess, yes, he would have been in a sequel, but not used the same way. Otherwise, you have the exact same movie again. I would guess a much, much smaller role.

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ala Scarecrow in this one

I wonder who the next Villian to come into play. Poison Ivy or The Riddler or maybe Mr. Freeze. They may even introduce Catwoman.

I highly doubt we'll ever see Poison Ivy or Mr. Freeze.

I would look at Riddler or Penguin. If they go Penguin, it won't be Tim Burton's version for sure. Riddler seems too much like The Joker, not sure how to fit him in.

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Based on TDK's ending, I'm betting on no real villian, and using Batman being on the run, and fleshing out his character even more. Just using the mob and what not as the "villians". They could really use Batman as the villian if you think about it, which could make a great film. If Nolan is back, I'm not worried.

That's funny. I was thinking the same thing. The Riddler and THe Joker's dismeanors would almost be the same. It wierd if you really think about it because who ever the decide to use its going to be a darker version. How was Tim Burton's Penguin?

That's kind of what I said in an earlier post, and I definitely agree.

Based off discussion a few pages with Skreiks comments, I think The Black Mask would be perfect if they continue the mob storyline. If that means the mob storyline, it also means that Catwoman (Selina Kyle) would also be good since she has ties to the mob. Catwoman has ties to the Falcone family in the comics, but certain things have been left unanswered as to the ties she has.

[CaptainZombie]

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Guys, I have posted my review on my blog. It's spoiler free until you get to the end, I have it capped off with Spoiler tags. I read a review this morning that after thinking this through, I do agree that if the movie ended about 30 minutes earlier they still could have achieved the ending they wanted but done differently.

[Skerik]

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Guys, I have posted my review on my blog. It's spoiler free until you get to the end, I have it capped off with Spoiler tags. I read a review this morning that after thinking this through, I do agree that if the movie ended about 30 minutes earlier they still could have achieved the ending they wanted but done differently.

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

[Flyboy]

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

Ding.

[ExtremeGamer]

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

Ding ding.

[Beantown]

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

Ding ding ding.

[aukevin]

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Based off discussion a few pages with Skreiks comments, I think The Black Mask would be perfect if they continue the mob storyline. If that means the mob storyline, it also means that Catwoman (Selina Kyle) would also be good since she has ties to the mob. Catwoman has ties to the Falcone family in the comics, but certain things have been left unanswered as to the ties she has.

Black Mask would be cool, this group of writers seem would be able to use Penguin in the same way and get a much more recognizable name than the Black Mask. Whereas the Penguin is more of a underground night club runner, he always is in deep with those with the money so he fits in nicely with the mob tail. Heck through Penguin and Black Mask in together.

As for Catwoman, as for the way this franchise is going, if they were to introduce a female vigilante, the one I would choose is Huntress. She's the daughter of a slain mob boss who has set out on her own to bring down the mob. You can't say that doesn't belong in this franchise if they want to introduce another semi-hero.

[Hassan Darkside]

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I wouldn't mind seeing Jim Carrey casted again in the Batman series. I think he could really take on the Joker role or the Riddler (again) and be more successful. I think he could give a more serious, twisted, sick side than he did in Batman Forever.

[tehova]

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I hate to just add another post saying how good the movie is, but it really was good. My girlfriend is a huge Batman fan (I had no idea until this week) she loved it too and cant stop talking about it.

[CaptainZombie]

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

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Definitely, I understood both the 'White Knight' and 'Dark Knight' image and don't disagree.......I guess I am looking at how Two-Face was killed off so rather quickly. Aaron Eckhart did an excellent job with Harvey Dent and even Two-Face to see him go off so rather quickly. If anyone was used up, it was Scarecrow. To me, that made no sense to waste him the way they did at the beginning.

Black Mask would be cool, this group of writers seem would be able to use Penguin in the same way and get a much more recognizable name than the Black Mask. Whereas the Penguin is more of a underground night club runner, he always is in deep with those with the money so he fits in nicely with the mob tail. Heck through Penguin and Black Mask in together.

As for Catwoman, as for the way this franchise is going, if they were to introduce a female vigilante, the one I would choose is Huntress. She's the daughter of a slain mob boss who has set out on her own to bring down the mob. You can't say that doesn't belong in this franchise if they want to introduce another semi-hero.

I think that the Black Mask could be pulled off rather well considering how well Ra's Al Ghul was used in 'Batman Begins'. A lot of people will debate that The Joker, Penguin, or Riddler are Batman's Top 3 villains........but Ra's has a huge storied past with Bruce Wayne and the Batman character. Huntress would be cool (funny thing is that originally she was Batman's and Catwoman's daughter until Crisis) and could fit in perfectly.

It makes you wonder if they are going to go the route to The Riddler as everyone is saying.

Lego Batman can't get here fast enough.

[Blzer]

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The movie needed to end the way it did. Without Harvey Dent's fall, the movie loses most of its emotional impact as Bruce decides that while he may be the hero that Gotham deserves, Harvey Dent is the hero that Gotham needs. Without Bruce choosing to go into exile to preserve Dent's "white knight" image for the people of Gotham to believe in, there's really no dramatic impact to the story at all other than Batman simply putting an end to the Joker's madness. Dent's fall forces Bruce to make the choice that Alfred tells him he's in a unique position to make earlier in the film - the right choice. I know people object to the Two-Face character being completely used up in this movie, but without Dent's fall there is no reason for Bruce to choose to become....wait for it....The Dark Knight.

Ding dong.

[The Chef]

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http://www.whysoserious.com/myhero/

Whats on that website? When I click on it its a blank, black page with nothing on it and its not loading anything.

[aukevin]

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Whats on that website? When I click on it its a blank, black page with nothing on it and its not loading anything.

There's hidden text on it. Go to it and press Control+a on you keyboard.

[The Chef]

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There's hidden text on it. Go to it and press Control+a on you keyboard.

Thanks man, didnt think to do that, just figured I was having problems with Firefox and that website.

[CMH]

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If Riddler is in any of the sequels, I want the Batman: Animated Series Riddler. The serious guy with a strong intellect. It would be a good contrast to the more sadistic and maniac Joker. I don't want to see Riddler jumping up and down like a lunatic. He needs to be scary in a psychological way. A way that just makes you wonder how and why does this man with such a bright mind could be so enamored by causing pain to others.

And this, I think, can then tie into Batman's infatuation with the Riddler not using his intellect for good - something that apparently has somewhat changed in the current Batman comic series as Riddler is now sometimes an aid to Batman.

edit: I also think that the Riddler back story with the abusive father that never appreciated his intelligence is the strongest of his back stories and the most realistic when explaining a character's reasons to act out like he does. So much you can do with this guy that would make him very interesting instead of some baffling fool with riddles.