The Dark Knight Discussion **CONTAINS SPOILERS**

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Bale is, hands down, the best Batman AND Bruce Wayne, not that he had much, if any, competition. Keaton did not pull of the Bruce Wayne role at all. He came off as awkward and, for the lack of a better word, nerdy. His Batman was alright for what the scripts gave him. He never really had a big challenge, unlike Bale's Batman had, so its hard to compare them on that front. But yeah, when I look at Keaton's Batman, I don't get the sense that he could easily kick my ***. With Bale, I definitely do.

[MachoMyers]

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Am I going crazy or did I remember reading a rumor that Steve Carell (The Office) was being considered for the role of Joker in #2?

[Beantown]

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I'll put my name under the side that think Bale's character, Batman/Wayne, were the best. He's got the voice to pull off the dark Batman, yet can make it seem more...human, when he's Bruce, and has the physical qualities to pull off both as well.

[Scottdau]

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I think Adrien Brody would make a great joker! Depp might be good too, but the joker needs to be crazy and Adrien in my mind can pull that off better!

[Scottdau]

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Am I going crazy or did I remember reading a rumor that Steve Carell (The Office) was being considered for the role of Joker in #2?

I hope not, we don't need a funny man joker. It needs a sick mental joker like the comic book!

[Scottdau]

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I'll put my name under the side that think Bale's character, Batman/Wayne, were the best. He's got the voice to pull off the dark Batman, yet can make it seem more...human, when he's Bruce, and has the physical qualities to pull off both as well.

yeah I agree. Bale was great! He just fit the part perfect.

[bkrich83]

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I'll put my name under the side that think Bale's character, Batman/Wayne, were the best. He's got the voice to pull off the dark Batman, yet can make it seem more...human, when he's Bruce, and has the physical qualities to pull off both as well.

Agreed, for me, no one that has played the role is even close to Bale..

[sven]

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I bet you like the Schumacher Batman films don't you?

Why would you say something so mean?

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Why would you say something so mean?

While I understand what you mean with The Joker, I would still like to see some kind of background with him and not some shoddy fall into a chemical vat ala the first Batman.

I know that The Joker has been around as long as Batman himself, which is a big part of their relationship, but their relationship is on an almost intimate level as well. If the Joker doesn't get a nice background, I want to see him kill Ms. Dawes.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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While I understand what you mean with The Joker, I would still like to see some kind of background with him and not some shoddy fall into a chemical vat ala the first Batman.

I know that The Joker has been around as long as Batman himself, which is a big part of their relationship, but their relationship is on an almost intimate level as well. If the Joker doesn't get a nice background, I want to see him kill Ms. Dawes.

The one background story I read at Wikipedia had him being a recently laid off engineer with a pregnant wife, depressed as hell. He then got into some stuff with a criminal gang and was helping them break into the chemical factory to rob the place, Batman interfered, Jack Napier, scared, ran and somehow ended up in the vat where he became the scarred clown we all love.

There was also something that dealt with Scarecrow, where the two of them teamed up to kidnap Gotham's mayor, and after they were done Scarecrow turned on Joker with his gas, it didn't affect the Joker at all (no fears or inner demons), and then the Joker promptly beat Scarecrow with a chair.

Sounds like a good plot to me! The Joker's origin being tragic yet still having the "it's Batman's fault" dynamic, and then tying up the Scarecrow loose end from the first movie. Who knows? Hopefully we'll get some concrete info soon!

[ExtremeGamer]

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The one background story I read at Wikipedia had him being a recently laid off engineer with a pregnant wife, depressed as hell. He then got into some stuff with a criminal gang and was helping them break into the chemical factory to rob the place, Batman interfered, Jack Napier, scared, ran and somehow ended up in the vat where he became the scarred clown we all love.

There was also something that dealt with Scarecrow, where the two of them teamed up to kidnap Gotham's mayor, and after they were done Scarecrow turned on Joker with his gas, it didn't affect the Joker at all (no fears or inner demons), and then the Joker promptly beat Scarecrow with a chair.

Sounds like a good plot to me! The Joker's origin being tragic yet still having the "it's Batman's fault" dynamic, and then tying up the Scarecrow loose end from the first movie. Who knows? Hopefully we'll get some concrete info soon!

I like that backstory, it would work, but it wouldn't in the movie.

Only because the end of Batman Begins, there already is a Joker.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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I like that backstory, it would work, but it wouldn't in the movie.

Only because the end of Batman Begins, there already is a Joker.

Flashbacks? Or it could start with the origin and then bring you up to present day Gotham.

[ExtremeGamer]

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Flashbacks? Or it could start with the origin and then bring you up to present day Gotham.

Possibly... But it would have to skew into Batman somehow, not really sure how. Since the last movie we saw all of his origin.

[Beantown]

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they could do a flashback...start off with Batman studying the card, flashing back to that one incident, and BAM.

They have to go into some Joker background...because if they don't it would leave fans wanting to know: "Why'd the Joker leave his card for batman to find?"

Just my opinion.

[ExtremeGamer]

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they could do a flashback...start off with Batman studying the card, flashing back to that one incident, and BAM.

They have to go into some Joker background...because if they don't it would leave fans wanting to know: "Why'd the Joker leave his card for batman to find?"

Just my opinion.

Good point. They could place him somewhere during Batman's beginnings.

I didn't think about him leaving the card for Batman.