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  • Beantown
    #DoYourJob
    • Feb 2005
    • 31523

    #46
    Re: Batman 2 Discussion

    Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
    Good point. They could place him somewhere during Batman's beginnings.

    I didn't think about him leaving the card for Batman.
    Yeah...I was sitting here trying to figure out some reason that they had to add in some background(because I want to see it, haha) and that popped into my mind.

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    • ExtremeGamer
      Extra Life 11/3/18
      • Jul 2002
      • 35299

      #47
      Re: Batman 2 Discussion

      Originally posted by Longhorn6
      Yeah...I was sitting here trying to figure out some reason that they had to add in some background(because I want to see it, haha) and that popped into my mind.
      Blending that with Johnny's background and it could make for a nice story.

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      • Beantown
        #DoYourJob
        • Feb 2005
        • 31523

        #48
        Re: Batman 2 Discussion

        Originally posted by ExtremeGamer
        Blending that with Johnny's background and it could make for a nice story.
        Very true...could certainly see that happening.

        And just, if in the future, they decide to bring Robin into this...they better, BETTER, make Robin like the comic book Robin. He was younger, more timid, less skilled, more immature, etc...than the Chris O'Donnell Robin. One thing that always pissed me off, as I was always a Robin fan, for some reason.

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        • ExtremeGamer
          Extra Life 11/3/18
          • Jul 2002
          • 35299

          #49
          Re: Batman 2 Discussion

          I hated the first 4 Batman movies, and loved Batman Begins. Robin was a joke in the last 2 Batman's though.

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          • Beantown
            #DoYourJob
            • Feb 2005
            • 31523

            #50
            Re: Batman 2 Discussion

            Yeah, and like I said I was always more of a fan of Robin than Batman...maybe because he was like a teenager and I was young when I watched so it just seemed cooler to root for the young guy, but if they bring Robin in...I'll be pissed if he's not a teenager...C.O.D was just too old to make it believeable.

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            • aukevin
              War Eagle, Go Braves!
              • Dec 2002
              • 14700

              #51
              Re: Batman 2 Discussion

              Originally posted by Longhorn6
              Yeah, and like I said I was always more of a fan of Robin than Batman...maybe because he was like a teenager and I was young when I watched so it just seemed cooler to root for the young guy, but if they bring Robin in...I'll be pissed if he's not a teenager...C.O.D was just too old to make it believeable.
              I don't think too many people would be interested in seeing a 12 year old boy running around as Robin in a Batman movie, I think that's why they picked O'Donnell in the first one. I hope they do have a Robin in one of these movies eventually and I hope he is younger than O'Donnell as well. He's still got to be able to fight the baddies though, and anything younger than 16 might be a little weird on-screen. It works in the comics, but I don't think it would look right on film.

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              • Beantown
                #DoYourJob
                • Feb 2005
                • 31523

                #52
                Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                Yeah...don't really mean a 12 year old...but someone like 16-18 would be good. O'Donnell just looked too old, in my opinion.

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                • JohnnytheSkin
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 5914

                  #53
                  Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                  From Wikipedia:

                  This origin was greatly expanded upon in the 1988 graphic novel, The Killing Joke, written by Alan Moore. In that story, the Joker was an unnamed engineer who quit his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agreed to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police came and informed him that his wife had just died in a household accident. Grief-stricken, the engineer tried to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-armed him into keeping his commitment to them. At the plant, the criminals made him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this was simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blundered into security personnel and a violent shootout and chase ensued. The criminals were gunned down and the engineer found himself confronted by Batman, who was investigating the disturbance. In panicked desperation, the engineer fell into a toxic waste vat and was swept through a pipe leading to the outside. Outside, he discovered, to his horror, that the chemicals permanently stained his skin chalk white, his lips ruby red and his hair bright green. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, drove him completely insane and resulted in the birth of the Joker.


                  and

                  During the Knightfall saga, Scarecrow and the Joker team up and kidnap the mayor of Gotham City. After Batman rescues the mayor, Scarecrow turns on the Joker and uses his fear gas to see what Joker is afraid of. To Scarecrow's surprise, however, the gas has no effect on Joker, who, in turn, beats Scarecrow with a chair. This suggests that, due to his insanity, the Joker literally has no fear, or at least has no hidden demons.

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                  • aukevin
                    War Eagle, Go Braves!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 14700

                    #54
                    Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                    Originally posted by Longhorn6
                    Yeah...don't really mean a 12 year old...but someone like 16-18 would be good. O'Donnell just looked too old, in my opinion.
                    yeah I didn't think you meant that, I don't think anyone would want to see that really, it's kinda creepy.

                    I just mean I see why they picked an older Robin before, because really, if they even pick a 16 year old, it would still look a little weird if he were fighting some big baddies like Bane or Killer Croc and even Freeze. I think it would work with guys like the Riddler though. I guess it depends on the build of the actor as well.

                    I personally prefer the Tim Drake Robin over Grayson or Todd. I hope when they do cast a Robin, he has the personality of Drake but the name and origin of Grayson.

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                    • ExtremeGamer
                      Extra Life 11/3/18
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 35299

                      #55
                      Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                      Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                      From Wikipedia:

                      This origin was greatly expanded upon in the 1988 graphic novel, The Killing Joke, written by Alan Moore. In that story, the Joker was an unnamed engineer who quit his job at a chemical company to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, he agreed to guide two criminals into the plant for a robbery. During the planning, the police came and informed him that his wife had just died in a household accident. Grief-stricken, the engineer tried to withdraw from the plan, but the criminals strong-armed him into keeping his commitment to them. At the plant, the criminals made him don a special mask to become the infamous Red Hood. Unknown to the engineer, this was simply a way to implicate any accomplice as the mastermind of a crime to divert attention from themselves. Once inside, they almost immediately blundered into security personnel and a violent shootout and chase ensued. The criminals were gunned down and the engineer found himself confronted by Batman, who was investigating the disturbance. In panicked desperation, the engineer fell into a toxic waste vat and was swept through a pipe leading to the outside. Outside, he discovered, to his horror, that the chemicals permanently stained his skin chalk white, his lips ruby red and his hair bright green. This turn of events, compounded by the man's misfortunes on that one day, drove him completely insane and resulted in the birth of the Joker.


                      and

                      During the Knightfall saga, Scarecrow and the Joker team up and kidnap the mayor of Gotham City. After Batman rescues the mayor, Scarecrow turns on the Joker and uses his fear gas to see what Joker is afraid of. To Scarecrow's surprise, however, the gas has no effect on Joker, who, in turn, beats Scarecrow with a chair. This suggests that, due to his insanity, the Joker literally has no fear, or at least has no hidden demons.
                      Why did you post that again?

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                      • Beantown
                        #DoYourJob
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 31523

                        #56
                        Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                        I think he just posted his synopsis of it earlier, and this time posted the actual thing...-shrug-

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                        • jmood88
                          Sean Payton: Retribution
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 34639

                          #57
                          Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                          I really hope that Bale stops whispering so much. That got really annoying in the first one.
                          Originally posted by Blzer
                          Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                          If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                          • Misfit
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 5766

                            #58
                            Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                            Originally posted by aukevin
                            I don't think too many people would be interested in seeing a 12 year old boy running around as Robin in a Batman movie, I think that's why they picked O'Donnell in the first one. I hope they do have a Robin in one of these movies eventually and I hope he is younger than O'Donnell as well. He's still got to be able to fight the baddies though, and anything younger than 16 might be a little weird on-screen. It works in the comics, but I don't think it would look right on film.

                            I personally hope Robin is never introduced to the franchise. Robin debuted in the comics when Batman wasn't really depicted as the character we see in the comics and movies today, and I've just felt he's never fit in with the darker take on the character. If they want to get Robin on the big screen they should make a Teen Titans film or something.

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                            • JohnnytheSkin
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 5914

                              #59
                              Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                              Originally posted by Longhorn6
                              I think he just posted his synopsis of it earlier, and this time posted the actual thing...-shrug-
                              That's why...it wasn't meant as anything else. I just figured I would post the real deal, which fleshes out my crude summary. I'll delete it if you want.
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                              Oh, sorry...I got distracted by the internet. - Scott Pilgrim

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                              • ExtremeGamer
                                Extra Life 11/3/18
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 35299

                                #60
                                Re: Batman 2 Discussion

                                Originally posted by JohnnytheSkin
                                That's why...it wasn't meant as anything else. I just figured I would post the real deal, which fleshes out my crude summary. I'll delete it if you want.
                                No, it's cool. I went back and re-read your first post, I didn't realize that you paraphrased then later on copied the actual thing you paraphrased from.

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