Arrest in Jonbenet Ramsey case

[Heelfan71]

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The $118k ransom had nothing to do with the Ramseys owing anything. They were filthy rich and had plenty of $$ Besides, the ransom note is a mute point since she was found in the house dead.

[Money99]

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It's been so long since this happened so I can't remember; was this guys name every brought into question during the investigation?
How is he linked to the family?

[Money99]

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The $118k ransom had nothing to do with the Ramseys owing anything. They were filthy rich and had plenty of $$ Besides, the ransom note is a mute point since she was found in the house dead.

The amount did have a significance. I'll try to find it but I know that it's linked to something.

Edit: Found it. It's the amount that John Ramsey received in bonus each year.

[Skerik]

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It's been so long since this happened so I can't remember; was this guys name every brought into question during the investigation?
How is he linked to the family?

He apparently lived near the Ramseys, in Georgia, 5 years before the killing.

He became a suspect after he emailed a journalism professor in Colorado who had produced three documentaries on the killing. Apparently he told the professor some things that raised his suspicion, and the professor ended up contacting the authorities.

[Heelfan71]

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I was reading about on Detective or Private Eye who offered to help (thinking the Ramseys were innocent). And he said after studying the ransom note:

"It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

[SPTO]

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Man this story has more twists and turns then anything fiction could come up with. This case is just too weird....

It's a shame that a young girl had to die no matter who did the killing.

[Money99]

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I was reading about on Detective or Private Eye who offered to help (thinking the Ramseys were innocent). And he said after studying the ransom note:

"It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

The man who initially investigated the ransom note was a highly regarded expert on the case. He determined after taking samples from several individuals involved that everyone was excused except for Patsy.
I'll have to check but I"m pretty sure this 'expert' was the same man that uncovered who wrote a book about the Clinton administration under a cloud of anonymity.

The other weird thing in this case is this; when the police first arrived one of the detectives failed to search each and every room. The one room he didn't fully check out was the same room where Jean-Bonet was found.
While the family was waiting for the kidnapper to call, John Ramsey suddenly stood up and ran down to that same room and discovered the body. Several investigators said it was very strange why and how he did that.
Another thing the investigators made note of was that Patsy and John sat seperately while waiting for the kidnappers call and never once looked at each other. He said in cases like this the parents always sit together and comfort one another. But he said it was like there was a wall between the two that is still unexplained.
Cops usually solve a lot of cases based more off of reaction or non-reaction than just hard evidence.

Edit: Just read this online:

He (Karr) says he picked her up after school and took her to the basement and drugged her. That doesn't account for there being no school, the party at the Whites, and no drugs found in the toxicology. His ex-wife says he has with her, and there's no proof he was ever in Boulder.

And Wood said the DNA hasn't been matched.

[Heelfan71]

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The man who initially investigated the ransom note was a highly regarded expert on the case. He determined after taking samples from several individuals involved that everyone was excused except for Patsy.
I'll have to check but I"m pretty sure this 'expert' was the same man that uncovered who wrote a book about the Clinton administration under a cloud of anonymity.

The other weird thing in this case is this; when the police first arrived one of the detectives failed to search each and every room. The one room he didn't fully check out was the same room where Jean-Bonet was found.
While the family was waiting for the kidnapper to call, John Ramsey suddenly stood up and ran down to that same room and discovered the body. Several investigators said it was very strange why and how he did that.
Another thing the investigators made note of was that Patsy and John sat seperately while waiting for the kidnappers call and never once looked at each other. He said in cases like this the parents always sit together and comfort one another. But he said it was like there was a wall between the two that is still unexplained.
Cops usually solve a lot of cases based more off of reaction or non-reaction than just hard evidence.

Edit: Just read this online:

yeah, I have been reading up on the case on Court TV. Her body was found in the basement. Someone asked if they looked down there and that is when they found the body. They assumed she was kidnapped because of the ransom note.

As far as the Ramseys owing money, that is a conspiracy theory. I remember reading that a long time ago. THey were filthy rich and $118 ransom would of been really easy to pay. What stupmed investigators is why the ransom was so low considering John Ramseys net worth.

According to Court TV, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who couldn't be totally eliminated from the ransom note. According to investigators, she was a 4.5 out of 5 (on a scale of 1 to 5, 5 meaning she didn't write it) that she didn't write it.


p.s. I'm not 100% sure this is the guy either. It could be a hoax. Guess we will have to wait. I was always suspicious of the Ramseys myself.

[Money99]

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I was reading about on Detective or Private Eye who offered to help (thinking the Ramseys were innocent). And he said after studying the ransom note:

"It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

The guy that wrote that analysis had kind of a biased view though:

an analysis made of the ransom note by Donald Foster, a linguistics scholar who, it was later revealed, had previously offered his services to the Ramseys on June 18, 1997, because of his "strong belief in Patsy Ramsey's innocence." In a letter personally addressed to Patsy Ramsey, Foster wrote: "I know that you are innocent, know it, absolutely and unequivocally, I would stake my professional reputation on it, indeed, my faith in humanity. I believe you were an ideal mother, wise, protective, caring and truly devoted," before offering his services to help prove her innocence. Foster also describes the note and offers a theory as to its author: "It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

That guy had a major boner for Patsey as it was shown that he already made up his mind that she had nothing to do with it.

Here's the full text of what one of the lead investigators wrote about the ransom note:

During the interview, Thomas described how out of 73 suspects whose writing samples were analyzed by experts in comparison with the note, Patsy Ramsey was the only one who could not be excluded as its author. He also accused Patsy Ramsey of changing her handwriting after the murder. "In the ransom note, almost exclusively the lowercase manuscript a was used, I think, 98 percent of the time," he said. "What was telling was that after the Ramseys were given a copy of the ransom note, the lowercase manuscript a almost disappeared entirely from Patsy's post-homicide writing. Writing samples from Ramseys' personal letters and notes she wrote before the killing contain 732 manuscript a's that look like the lowercase typewritten a, but they are written by hand. She switched to a cursive a after the murder."

Another point that Thomas made was that the ransom note was signed "S.B.T.C." which allegedly stands for what the note described as "a small foreign faction" that had kidnapped JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom. Thomas indicated that this fact also pointed to Patsy Ramsey as she often used acronyms. He cited a Christmas note to a friend that was signed "P.P.R.B.S.J.," which she said stood for "Patsy Paugh Ramsey, Bachelor of Science in Journalism." He also said the tear pattern of the ransom-note paper matched Patsy Ramsey's personal note pad, and the felt-tip pen used to write the note matched a pen found in a cup in the Ramseys' kitchen.

Another point of suspicion, Thomas felt, was when Ramsey said she found the note on the back stairs when police had found it on the hardwood floor.

Thomas bases his views on an analysis made of the ransom note by Donald Foster, a linguistics scholar who, it was later revealed, had previously offered his services to the Ramseys on June 18, 1997, because of his "strong belief in Patsy Ramsey's innocence." In a letter personally addressed to Patsy Ramsey, Foster wrote: "I know that you are innocent, know it, absolutely and unequivocally, I would stake my professional reputation on it, indeed, my faith in humanity. I believe you were an ideal mother, wise, protective, caring and truly devoted," before offering his services to help prove her innocence. Foster also describes the note and offers a theory as to its author: "It appears to have been written by a young adult with an adolescent imagination overheated by true crime literature and Hollywood thrillers." His offer of help was rejected.

I have no idea if this guy is the one either. I think this is one of the most bizarre cases ever. I'm not sure if the Ramsey's had anything to do with it either but it appears as if they are covering up something or at the very least not telling everything they know.
But if this guys DNA doens't match the DNA found on her underwear that could be huge.

But CNN said that this guy knew stuff about the murder that nobody but investigators knew.
Very strange stuff.

[Heelfan71]

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this thing is confusing. On one hand I read this:

But investigators in Thailand have told the Associated Press that Karr has made several other statements to them, including claims that he picked JonBenet up from school the day she was killed and that he drugged her. JonBenet was on Christmas vacation at the time, so school was not in session, and there was no evidence of drugs found in JonBenet’s body during the autopsy

Then I read this:

But a Colorado state official said John Karr has an extensive criminal record for sexual assaults across the South, including Tennessee.

[Scottdau]

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this thing is confusing. On one hand I read this:




Then I read this:

This all could be to promote his book, I hope they get this all square away.

[fishepa]

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The $118k ransom had nothing to do with the Ramseys owing anything. They were filthy rich and had plenty of $$ Besides, the ransom note is a mute point since she was found in the house dead.

Moot point.

[BGarrett7]

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Something is just off about this entire situation. I really want to hear this guy's official statement about everything that happened before jumping on the "this is the guy" bandwagon.

[Heelfan71]

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Moot point.

doh

[Heelfan71]

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Very good read. After reading this, I would say the police in Boulder really screwed up this case. They had it in their mind that the Ramseys were responsible and neglected key evidence.

http://www.jameson245.com/doc2usa.htm