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  • SPTO
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    • Feb 2003
    • 68046

    #31
    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

    Interesting to see how the debate has unfolded and sadly it's as political as ever. Anywho let me preface my following comments as saying I generally believe that there is Global Warming. Is it all man made? Probably not but I still think it's credible.

    1. Let's talk about the pop culture version of Global Warming for a moment. Under the view of pop culture and those who aren't inclined to study the phenomenon Global Warming just means we're all going to heat up and die from the runaway greenhouse effect a la Venus. In recent years (last 10-15 years) the effects of Global Warming have been viewed by the scientific community in quite a different way. One such view is that weather will become more eratic, go through wild swings etc etc. Just look at this winter as an example of this. The atmospheric conditions are very unsettled.

    There are theories which propose that instead of us dying from the heat of global warming we'll continue to face wild and extreme weather which could lead to a deep freeze. This theory seems to have some creedence as the Jet Stream actually slowed to a crawl over the north atlantic waters which gave northern and central Europe some extreme cold, snow, and howling winds while most of North America was going through some very unseasonable warm weather. A visualization of this deep freeze theory can be found in the film THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW or if you want to go to the source material then pick up Art Bell and Whitley Streiber's THE COMING GLOBAL SUPERSTORM.

    Another corolary to Global Warming is Global Dimming which addresses a question dossier asked about chemicals in the atmosphere. Atmospheric scientists have noticed (and i'm sure older folks on here too) that sunlight doesn't seem to be as bright as it used to be. This is because of CO2s in the atmosphere and such creating smog/haze that envelopes the planet. The scary thing about it? it seems that the more pollutants we pump out the more the haze/smog blocks out sunlight and keeps the planet warmer then it should be. So not only are we warming the planet but we're potentially blocking out one of the most important ingredients for life in sunlight.

    2. About cycles, they're not 30 year cycles. That's way too small of a sample size for a planet that's been around for millions of years rather we should look at the overall picture. A few months ago TIME magazine did a story about how the Earth is the hottest it's been in thousands of years. Even that is too short of a span to look at because while it's true that it's hotter now then it has been in a few thousand years the media fails to mention that the Earth was in a mini ice age so obviously now that we're getting out of that ice age it's going to be hotter now then it was then! However, there is corresponding evidence that does show that while the warming may be natural we as humans are speeding it up. Temperatures have been skyrocketing with the introduction of the Industrial Age. The more pollutants we put into the atmosphere coincides with the increased temps. So it does seem that the warming trend is natural but we're pushing it like a maniacal driver on the highway.

    3. Last but not least, without getting political about nuclear power you'll notice that environmentalists don't talk about it much, why? Because they know damn well that it's probably the safest and most efficient alternative form of energy on the planet but they've painted themselves in a corner by screaming for years about how nuclear power is dangerious and we'll see a North American Chernobyl. So they just stay mum on the topic of nuclear power and hopes it goes away.
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    • EWRMETS
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      • Jul 2002
      • 7491

      #32
      Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

      Originally posted by SPTO

      3. Last but not least, without getting political about nuclear power you'll notice that environmentalists don't talk about it much, why? Because they know damn well that it's probably the safest and most efficient alternative form of energy on the planet but they've painted themselves in a corner by screaming for years about how nuclear power is dangerious and we'll see a North American Chernobyl. So they just stay mum on the topic of nuclear power and hopes it goes away.
      Sim City 2000 taught us that fusion power is the safest and best energy source.

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      • daflyboys
        Banned
        • May 2003
        • 18238

        #33
        Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

        Originally posted by EWRMETS
        We've already had a huge impact on the destruction of forests, rain forests, and the extinction of animals.
        We have more forestation world wide than ever before. Why? Because industries that use forests to produce goods are not going to deplete their main resource that keeps them in business. That's like saying your local baker makes some donuts and then just throws out the rest of the flour after the day is over and doesn't plan on making any more. As far as animal extinction, I would say humans (i.e., PART of the animal kingdom, no?) have bent over backwards in many instances to maintain species. Just ask the moose along the Alaskan pipeline. However, if we are part of the animal kingdom, is it not survival of the fittest? Isn't that part of science and Darwinology? But I digress.....

        Originally posted by SPTO
        Interesting to see how the debate has unfolded and sadly it's as political as ever.
        I like your comments overall SPTO, but, really, once Al Gore (Gore, Al; see 'internet inventor') becomes part of this equation, tell me how can this discussion NOT have political overtones? Since environmentalists MUST prove this to be true to keep up their lobbying points and power base, they rely on not maintaining the null hypothesis in their studies and therefore abandon scientific method. I'm sorry the GreenPeace folks keep up these methods, but what is it they really do as their mainstream jobs? They must make this work for themselves and their own preservation.

        Sorry, boys and girls, but we really can't damage this planet. It all goes in cycles it would seem. Temperatures, animal species, ozone layers.
        Last edited by daflyboys; 03-12-2007, 12:14 AM.

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        • JohnnytheSkin
          All Star
          • Jul 2003
          • 5914

          #34
          Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

          Originally posted by EWRMETS
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          • BigTigLSU
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            • Sep 2002
            • 6506

            #35
            Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

            All I will say is for the sake of my children and yours I hope you are right. I hope this is just a political ploy... cause if its not God help us. (for those who believe in him). I always believed its better to be safe than sorry.


            And for those who have come to the conclusion that its a cycle why is it that this cycle seems to be more extreme than ever before. Bigger hurricanes, typhoons, more tornados, higher heat temps, wierd weather patterns etc. Are you trully saying that these things arent happening and that the weather channel is in on this cover up as well.
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            • ballerzinc
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              • Feb 2004
              • 1831

              #36
              Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

              Yea put me on the side of rather being safe than sorry. I also believe that 30 year or so cycles would be to small for an earth thats been around so long. I would have to think the cycles would have to be longer or we're in a cycle within a cycle so to speak.

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              • USF11
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                • Jun 2003
                • 4245

                #37
                Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                Originally posted by BigTigLSU

                And for those who have come to the conclusion that its a cycle why is it that this cycle seems to be more extreme than ever before. Bigger hurricanes, typhoons, more tornados, higher heat temps, wierd weather patterns etc. Are you trully saying that these things arent happening and that the weather channel is in on this cover up as well.
                I am glad you brought up the idea that storms have gotten bigger. This just isnt the case. The storms have stayed the same its just that cities are becoming more populated. There is less then 100 years of accurate weather information on record. How can we base any theory on that?

                One article I have read, talked about a global warming scientist who was exposed after taking snow and ice data from a mountain peak after a blizzard. He then came back to the same spot during the summer months later after the snow melted he retook the data and warned of global warming.

                Its all about fear and votes.
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                • RockinDaMike
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                  • Feb 2003
                  • 9091

                  #38
                  Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                  I've always had the belief that its not humans causes global warming but the Sun has more to do it with than anything else. Again I'm not a scientist always what I thought.
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                  • BigTigLSU
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                    • Sep 2002
                    • 6506

                    #39
                    Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                    Originally posted by USF11

                    Its all about fear and votes.
                    I would love to respond to that... but I will not per the MODs but are you so caught up with political positioning that you would risk your childrens future on it. We have gone to war with less accurate information why is our enviorment less important.
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                    • Brandon13
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                      • Oct 2005
                      • 8915

                      #40
                      Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                      I'm pretty much in the middle on this issue but I guess I lean to the side that says we are contributing to Global Warming. I don't believe that anyone truly knows what the heck is going on for sure. I do believe that what we are doing on Earth is probably having some effect on the climate, but to what extent, who knows?

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                      • BigTigLSU
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                        • Sep 2002
                        • 6506

                        #41
                        Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                        Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                        I've always had the belief that its not humans causes global warming but the Sun has more to do it with than anything else. Again I'm not a scientist always what I thought.
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                        • RockinDaMike
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 9091

                          #42
                          Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                          Wow after watching half way through the video my theory came up as a possiblity in the climate/weather changes for earth. You guys should take a look.
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                          • Knight165
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                            • Feb 2003
                            • 24964

                            #43
                            Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                            Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                            Wow after watching half way through the video my theory came up as a possiblity in the climate/weather changes for earth. You guys should take a look.
                            Well...what's your theory?..that there is a direct correlation between the increase in the number of fast food restaurants and the increase in the buildup of methane gas in the atmosphere?...WHAT IS IT!?


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                            • Skerik
                              Living in this tube
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 5215

                              #44
                              Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                              Originally posted by RockinDaMike
                              Wow after watching half way through the video my theory came up as a possiblity in the climate/weather changes for earth. You guys should take a look.
                              Thanks for actually watching it, as I suspect most people didn't do....
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                              • RockinDaMike
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 9091

                                #45
                                Re: The Great Global Warming Swindle

                                Originally posted by Knight165
                                Well...what's your theory?..that there is a direct correlation between the increase in the number of fast food restaurants and the increase in the buildup of methane gas in the atmosphere?...WHAT IS IT!?


                                M.K.
                                Knight165
                                I said earlier in my other post that the Sun has to do more with global warming than human causes. I always had a problem that the Sun is always going to stay constant and no one ever points at the sun for the global warming issue, and in the program they mentioned that as well as other reasons.

                                Originally posted by Skerik
                                Thanks for actually watching it, as I suspect most people didn't do....
                                thanks for posting it, I learned a lot from it.
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