The Great Global Warming Swindle

[GeePee20]

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I just don't get why people are so against trying to actually make the environment better. Using alternative fuel sources doesn't kill anyone but it would cut down on the smog around cities and make them smell a lot better.

It's because people don't want to be associated with "tree hugging" environmentalists and many people just don't want to believe a democrat. They make political when it isn't political.

But like you said, using alternative fuels harms no one except the oil industry. And harming the oil industry could be a good thing since 50% of the world's oil comes from places like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela.

[jmood88]

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It's because people don't want to be associated with "tree hugging" environmentalists and many people just don't want to believe a democrat. They make political when it isn't political.

But like you said, using alternative fuels harms no one except the oil industry. And harming the oil industry could be a good thing since 50% of the world's oil comes from places like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela.

And the fact that they raise the prices of oil on the speculation that the price of oil might rise.

[Freelance]

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I just don't get why people are so against trying to actually make the environment better. Using alternative fuel sources doesn't kill anyone but it would cut down on the smog around cities and make them smell a lot better.

EVERYBODY wants that, jmood, but not at the expense of our national economy and sovereignty, and not at the risk of facing some global U.N. sanctioned regulatory tax, which would be one of the first steps toward a one-world order. (The Bible predicts this stuff, but that's another thread for another forum).

Especially in the light of flimsy "scientific" evidence.

Again, it was warmer on the planet during the Middle Ages. Why?

[EWRMETS]

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It's because people don't want to be associated with "tree hugging" environmentalists and many people just don't want to believe a democrat. They make political when it isn't political.

But like you said, using alternative fuels harms no one except the oil industry. And harming the oil industry could be a good thing since 50% of the world's oil comes from places like Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela.

That's exactly what it is. Plus you have to figure that the religious right is already at odds with scientists about evolution.

[marque1d]

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Well the D word (and RR) just got thrown in so this might not last much longer

[TheMatrix31]

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I don't understand how people can't avoid using political terminology on a site that explicitly forbids political talk. Seriously.

[bamalam]

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Apparently you don't want to listen to both sides because you are trying to discredit the scientists who believe humans have caused global warming as crazed globalists who want to destroy America.

lol...
they discredit themselves when their solution to global warming is a global tax paid to the UN. how can anyone think these guys are serious about helping us?

[ODogg]

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I don't think it's the fact most people don't believe that global warming is occuring, at least on some small scale, it's the fact that people disagree on what is causing it. I am in the camp that believes car emissions and cow flatulence and other of those sorts of issue are not having the true impact that the chicken little, the-sky-is-falling, environmentalist say it is. The Earth goes through periods of warming and cooling. As for this doomsday scenario stuff predicted by Al Gore, most of it is what is attempting to make the issue into a political one, and most of it is complete bunk.

Scientists can't even accurately predict the weather beyond a day or two nor predict hurricanes, tornadoes,etc until they're practically upon us, how can they claim to be even somewhat accurately predicting something that will happen years, or hundreds of years from now?

[cch99]

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So you think that if I were to buy a Hybrid in the next few months instead of a sports car with a lot of horsepower, I'd REALLY make that much of a difference? I doubt that... Maybe the county I live in should pay more attention to emissions and actually check them during an inspection? That would surely affect more than 1 individual and might actually make a sliver of difference. It's not a way to make one feel better about choices that are made (as I clearly showed above), but the realization that 1 individuals habits or choices aren't going to drastically change something as large as global warming (if it even exists).

On the flipside, maybe those that do these things need to do them to make them feel as though they are making a difference and that they are important in this area. Maybe they need that so when they look in the mirror they can feel better about the person they are and the person they want others to think they are?

I am not saying you, yourself as one person can change the world. My point is that if all the people, or even a portion of the people who always say I am only 1 person actually did something, they could add up to a lot of people and that would make a difference.

If a lot of people made small changes it's not going to hurt things if the golbal warming scientists are wrong. But if they are right and we do nothing then in 20-50 years when we are screwed people will look back and know that we could have made a difference.

And for the people who think that we can't make a difference on a global scale. How about overfishing to the point of extinction. It has been done in Canada, Japan, off of our coasts. There are other examples. On a smaller scale how about our US ancestors almost wiping out the buffalo after the Indians had used them sustainably for 100's maybe 1000's of years.

Better safe than sorry is all I'm saying and if that means driving a hybrid instead of a powerful SUV or Sports car, and using different lights inside my home, recycling etc, then it's a small price to pay for ensuring we aren't causing these problems.

[ExtremeGamer]

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The seat issue is BS. I am 6'4" and I fit very comfortably in the backseat. More comfortably than I do in a Lexus GX470 which is a big SUV.

And maybe you should've drove it before saying it has no power. It is very enjoyable car to drive I must say.

Your definition of comfort is obviously different than mine.

And the more money in my pocket thing for better gas mileage is completely false. At best, you can't even break even over 5-7 years. When you are paying 28K for a car that I could buy for 18K, that's a 10K difference right off the bat. To save what, 4-5 bucks a week in gas money? Let's say you get one more fill up than I do. So I spend $100 a month in gas, you spend $75. Over a one year time, you save a whopping 300 bucks, over 5 year's that's $1500 in gas money. I'm still $8500 ahead of you. So where's this more money in my pocket thing coming from?

[USF11]

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Your definition of comfort is obviously different than mine.

And the more money in my pocket thing for better gas mileage is completely false. At best, you can't even break even over 5-7 years. When you are paying 28K for a car that I could buy for 18K, that's a 10K difference right off the bat. To save what, 4-5 bucks a week in gas money? Let's say you get one more fill up than I do. So I spend $100 a month in gas, you spend $75. Over a one year time, you save a whopping 300 bucks, over 5 year's that's $1500 in gas money. I'm still $8500 ahead of you. So where's this more money in my pocket thing coming from?

Good post took my thunder. Not to mention that coal is likely being burned to charge your hybrid, but Its all good if its out of sight out of mind.

[cch99]

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Good post took my thunder. Not to mention that coal is likely being burned to charge your hybrid, but Its all good if its out of sight out of mind.

Obviously driving hybrids isn't a magic bullet that is going to solve everything. So, in relation to the coal power that is another thing that has to be changed. Instead of non-renewable energy sources we should be looking at solar and wind power and other sources. And I just read somewhere, popular science or something, that they've created a machine that uses plasma beams to turn garbage into power. The only thing left over is a glass-like susbstance.

Anyway, my point is there are a number of places we have to look to improve what we are doing, one thing isn't going to fix everything. Besides the fact that oil is non-renewable anyway and eventually we are going to have to come up with a different way to power vehicles so why not stay ahead of the curve for once instead of waiting until we are stuck.

[GeePee20]

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1. Going through the UN is not the only solution. Nobody supporting the theory of global warming in this thread even mentioned the UN as the solution, only the non-supporters did. This problem can be solved without the UN if you are so worried about losing our sovereignty.

2. There is absolutely no evidence that this would cripple our economy. The only people it would hurt is the oil industry but we all agree that they are going to be gone one day so where is the harm in dumping more money in alternative fuel or hybrid technology now.

3. The Prius does not plug into the wall so no coal is being used! It requires no electric wall power. Its battery is 100% charged on braking. The energy is stored into the battery when you brake so no electric power is needed from any other source but itself. Look it up if you don't believe me.

All I ask is that some of you doubters watch An Inconvenient Truth. Seriously, take an hour and a half a watch it. It can answer so many of your questions and concerns. If you look for it you could probably even find a bootleg copy on the internet so you don't even have to give any money to him. Please watch it, it will answer many of your questions.

Secondly, where is the harm in this? Rather be safe than sorry.

[fishepa]

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I definitely believe in Global Warming. Look at the effect it has had on the number of pirates around the world.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I definitely believe in Global Warming. Look at the effect it has had on the number of pirates around the world.

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!