**Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)

**p_rushing** · 02-14-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally posted by asianflow

I can't even begin to speculate why it appears Sayid is working for Ben.

Ben said "do you want to help your friends or not?" I guess Ben knows how to get back to the island, but won't help Sayid until the people who sent the 4 to the island are killed.

**dagger55** · 02-15-2008, 12:17 AM

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i think the word "Purge" from the earlier season has more meaning than we thought....

what if these new people want to 'purge' the continuums... If the only difference between one parallel universe from the other is the fact that in one universe, flight 815 crashed into the ocean and everyone died, and in the other universe, flight 815 crashed into an island with survivors, how would you get the two universes to match up?

you would eliminate the survivors....

just saying

**Lester206** · 02-15-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by moose1619

does anybody else wonder where the others are?

weren't they all killed in the season 3 finale? From the explosions and Hurleys bus?

**SportsorDeath** · 02-15-2008, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Lester206

weren't they all killed in the season 3 finale? From the explosions and Hurleys bus?

There are still at least a handful more, who never went down to the beach. That flight attendant chick is one of them. Ben told them to go to the temple, which I am guessing is that toe statue we caught a brief glimpse of last season.

**Brandon13** · 02-15-2008, 02:09 AM

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I actually thought about the other Others for the first time this season tonight. I wonder when they'll be showing back up?

**ndeezlo** · 02-15-2008, 08:20 AM

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After that ending I couldn't concentrate on anything, I couldn't even watch Eli Stone, which I've actually enjoyed the first 2 episodes of. I just couldn't follow the storyline this week (of Eli), it probably doesn't help that I've been pretty sick since Tuesday and I wasted all of my "energy" trying to follow LOST.

**moose1619** · 02-15-2008, 09:17 AM

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well there goes my guess of ben being killed off. This irks me a little bit because I believe the writers have changed their approach too dramatically. If Ben was only supposed to be a 2 or 3 episope character, how can you rewrite the whole show and change ther story line just for him. YOu would think that they have a stroy timeline and eventually they have to get back to the main arc. I know they have to have fillers and other things, but has their vision changed? Anyways I love this show and can't ait till next week.

**fistofrage** · 02-15-2008, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by moose1619

well there goes my guess of ben being killed off. This irks me a little bit because I believe the writers have changed their approach too dramatically. If Ben was only supposed to be a 2 or 3 episope character, how can you rewrite the whole show and change ther story line just for him. YOu would think that they have a stroy timeline and eventually they have to get back to the main arc. I know they have to have fillers and other things, but has their vision changed? Anyways I love this show and can't ait till next week.

Of course the storyline has changed. If you think they started this show with the intent of focusing on Ben and having Sayid run around like he's straight out of the Bourne Identity, you're crazy.

Decent show last night, I knew Ben was Sayid's Boss as soon as he was in that Rec Room with Locke and Ben said whats the point of having friends if you can't trust them or something to that effect. Do any of the people on the island really have anything on the outside to go back to?

The other thing is, When that phycisist "Dave"? was talking, he was giving out some pretty good clues last night.

1. That rocket should have only taken seconds to get there, but it took 31 minutes. So does that mean that 91 days on the island means years on the outside.
2. He mentioned that the lighting on the island is different. In last weeks episode.
3. He said that the helicoptor needed to take the exact same path out that it took in. That could mean a few things. It could mean that if it deviates from the course, it could run into the same helicoptor(itself) and all crap would break loose. Or it could mean that there is exactly 1 "wormhole" on or off the island and if they didn't follow it, the helicoptor would run out of fuel as it would keep looping in the same area kind of like Hurley was doing with the shed or Sawyer was doing on the boat ilast season. Ben also told Michael to follow exact coordinates when he gave him the boat.

This is definitely all about the space time continuum. I also think that alot of things from past seasons are just going to go unanswered. In the end, that will be fine as long as the story they string together is decent.

**ehh** · 02-15-2008, 10:02 AM

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My newest speculation after last night.....

Jack is the person in the coffin.

**ODogg** · 02-15-2008, 10:08 AM

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Sayid is a stone cold killah!

**Porschebenz2001** · 02-15-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally posted by ODogg

Sayid is a stone cold killah!

That reminded me so much of the first Bourne movie.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ESc2UP16Dkk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=J5zQni_0eYE&feature=related

Thought these videos were hillarious.

**fistofrage** · 02-15-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally posted by ehh

My newest speculation after last night.....

Jack is the person in the coffin.

Can you elaborate?

I think there may be 2 of everyone running around, but I can't quite get my arms around how.

Its clear that Ben has alot of people on the outside. He has information on everybody. Time doesn't really move on the island. He slips out, gets information and comes back in what appears to be minutes on the island, is actually probably days on the outside.

So those flashforwards in 2007, are probably happening just days after the crash onto the island. In island time.

I don't think its Jack in the coffin, he still knew enough people at the hospital and his ex-wife still cared enough to come see him in the hospital that someone should have come the the funeral parlor.

***The person in the coffin is.........BEN! He was the only one who kew how to freely come and go from the island. Jack needed to get back there. Noone on the outside would have come to see Ben. Jack needed the information on the island travel from Ben and now he'll never get it.

**Pared** · 02-15-2008, 10:22 AM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

1. That rocket should have only taken seconds to get there, but it took 31 minutes. So does that mean that 91 days on the island means years on the outside.

Did it really take 31 minutes? It could be that they are in a time shift, which doesn't necessarily mean it "took" 31 extra minutes to get there.

What could possibly be happening is time isn't parallel somehow... which is not something I wanted them to mess with. Time travel, time shifts.... all things that fall out of the scope of reality, IMO.

**ehh** · 02-15-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by fistofrage

Can you elaborate?

I think there may be 2 of everyone running around, but I can't quite get my arms around how.

I honestly have no real case to argue, no points to validate my guess. Right now it's just a wild guess that the writers will explain in the future. I don't know how two of each person could be running around yet either, but some of the other clues from the S3 finale match up.

1) Apparent suicide, Jack has always been a bit of a loose cannon and who knows what happens later on.
2) Person's first name began with a J.
3) Kate's answer to Jack asking her to go to the funeral, as if she had no reason to go because it's the "Other Jack" that she never knew.
4) No one went to the funeral, perhaps because one Jack was still alive, there was no need to mourn yet.

Who knows, those are all major reaches but Jack seeing himself (well he didn't open it) inside that coffin would be a twist I wouldn't be shocked to see from the writers.

**fistofrage** · 02-15-2008, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Pared

Did it really take 31 minutes? It could be that they are in a time shift, which doesn't necessarily mean it "took" 31 extra minutes to get there.

What could possibly be happening is time isn't parallel somehow... which is not something I wanted them to mess with. Time travel, time shifts.... all things that fall out of the scope of reality, IMO.

It didn't take 31 minutes, it took seconds to get there. As was evidenced by the person on the other end counting down the distance to target.

Imagine that earth rotating around the sun in its eliptical motion. Envision this as a clock with the Sun in the center and the earth rotating around the edge. The earth is at point X right now which is 12 o'clock in 3 hours it will be at 3'Oclock. Now imagine that you are on the earth when its at the 12 o'clock position and you take off into space. You are gone for 2 days your time, but still manage to rendevous with earth again at the 3'oclock position. Only 3 hours of time has gone by on earth, but you've been able to do things which feel like days. As long as you can rendevous back to that sepecfic point only 3 hours have really gone by. Hard to explain, but thats a theory of how you can disrupt the time continuum. Its not so much time trave as it is almost being able to manipulate time. Time will still march on, but at varying rates.

**Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)

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