****Official LOST Season 4 Discussion (Contains Spoilers)**

[ODogg]

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Did it really take 31 minutes? It could be that they are in a time shift, which doesn't necessarily mean it "took" 31 extra minutes to get there.

What could possibly be happening is time isn't parallel somehow... which is not something I wanted them to mess with. Time travel, time shifts.... all things that fall out of the scope of reality, IMO.

Considering there have been many documented cases of time shifts and time lapses (mostly in flights and ship cruises in places such as the Bermuda Triangle) it's not outside the scope of reality. You may or may not believe such things can exist but they have a very real basis for this type of story line.

[Pared]

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It didn't take 31 minutes, it took seconds to get there. As was evidenced by the person on the other end counting down the distance to target.

Imagine that earth rotating around the sun in its eliptical motion. Envision this as a clock with the Sun in the center and the earth rotating around the edge. The earth is at point X right now which is 12 o'clock in 3 hours it will be at 3'Oclock. Now imagine that you are on the earth when its at the 12 o'clock position and you take off into space. You are gone for 2 days your time, but still manage to rendevous with earth again at the 3'oclock position. Only 3 hours of time has gone by on earth, but you've been able to do things which feel like days. As long as you can rendevous back to that sepecfic point only 3 hours have really gone by. Hard to explain, but thats a theory of how you can disrupt the time continuum. Its not so much time trave as it is almost being able to manipulate time. Time will still march on, but at varying rates.

I def. don't see what you mean by that explanation...

If you're traveling for two days, two days is still two days. For you to get back to the earth in 3 hours their time, wouldn't you have to travel at some ridiculous speed, faster than time itself?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

[fistofrage]

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I def. don't see what you mean by that explanation...

If you're traveling for two days, two days is still two days. For you to get back to the earth in 3 hours their time, wouldn't you have to travel at some ridiculous speed, faster than time itself?

Doesn't make any sense to me.

The simpliest way I can describe it(and it probably won't make sense) is that it doesn't matter how long you are off doing something else, as long as you rendevouz with the earth at its point 3 hours from now, you have only aged 3 hours because earth time is your time of reference.

[Chief Illinimac]

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The simpliest way I can describe it(and it probably won't make sense) is that it doesn't matter how long you are off doing something else, as long as you rendevouz with the earth at its point 3 hours from now, you have only aged 3 hours because earth time is your time of reference.

No offense, but to me that is basically saying "if you go do something for two days, and only three hours go by, you have only aged three hours." That's pretty common sense, but the question is how you do that.

[Pared]

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lol yeah, you're right. It doesn't make any sense.

IMO, your body doesn't know it's in a different time of reference. Your cells still multiply, your hair still grows.... your body still continues to function at its normal rate.

I don't see how that is physically possible.

[fistofrage]

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No offense, but to me that is basically saying "if you go do something for two days, and only three hours go by, you have only aged three hours." That's pretty common sense, but the question is how you do that.

Its not my time continuum theory, its just one that I have read. Its because you are bound to the time on Earth. Its basically time is standing virtually still on earth and whatever dimension you are traveling to has time and time that moves but it doesn't apply to your aging because you are bound to the earth time. Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe type things, they walked through the Wardrobe where there was time going by, days probably because they were fighting grand battles, etc, but they returned out of the Wardrobe minutes or hours later.

[fistofrage]

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lol yeah, you're right. It doesn't make any sense.

IMO, your body doesn't know it's in a different time of reference. Your cells still multiply, your hair still grows.... your body still continues to function at its normal rate.

I don't see how that is physically possible.

It probably isn't physically possible, its a theory. You have to go with the premise that your body is bound to Earth time, regardless of what happens in another dimension. I guarantee you if you think Lost will be explained by hard scientific facts, you will be crying when all is said and done.

[Chief Illinimac]

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Its not my time continuum theory, its just one that I have read. Its because you are bound to the time on Earth. Its basically time is standing virtually still on earth and whatever dimension you are traveling to has time and time that moves but it doesn't apply to your aging because you are bound to the earth time. Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe type things, they walked through the Wardrobe where there was time going by, days probably because they were fighting grand battles, etc, but they returned out of the Wardrobe minutes or hours later.

I get that our sense of time is based on Earth-time. It's basically a case of the theory of relativity. You "age" depending on your relative time. If we lived on a different planet, we would have a different sense of time in terms of measuring it, but because the planet is larger/smaller, days would be longer/shorter, as would minutes and seconds. 30 years in Earth-time could be 10 years in Jupiter time (just a general number, not meant to be exact). That all makes sense to me. The big question is how to go about creating an actual time shift where you could essentially have two of the same thing existing at the same absolute point in time.

[moose1619]

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I think Locke will be the one in the Coffin, becuase I think Kate is going back to Ben. I really think he is controlling everyone but Jack, and Jack is going crazy trying to find the island without ben's help.

[fistofrage]

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I get that our sense of time is based on Earth-time. It's basically a case of the theory of relativity. You "age" depending on your relative time. If we lived on a different planet, we would have a different sense of time in terms of measuring it, but because the planet is larger/smaller, days would be longer/shorter, as would minutes and seconds. 30 years in Earth-time could be 10 years in Jupiter time (just a general number, not meant to be exact). That all makes sense to me. The big question is how to go about creating an actual time shift where you could essentially have two of the same thing existing at the same absolute point in time.

I think it goes beyond relativity because just because a planet is a different size and the days would be measured differently your cells and aging process should take the same amount of time. The thing the theory is trying to say is that you are actually only "gone" 3 hours no matter how long you are gone on a timer because your aging process and everything is tied to Earth time.

As for your big question.....The theory I read from a German scientist showed how he could "bend" light. He was using a beam of light and showed how the single beam of light when passed through point A wound up at point B and Point C simultaneously and he could aslo show how this beam passing through point A could wind up at point B at different times. He then went on to explain how time travel was possible.

****Note, I am just throwing documneted theories out there. I am not attesting that I believe in their validity.

[Chief Illinimac]

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I think it goes beyond relativity because just because a planet is a different size and the days would be measured differently your cells and aging process should take the same amount of time. The thing the theory is trying to say is that you are actually only "gone" 3 hours no matter how long you are gone on a timer because your aging process and everything is tied to Earth time.

As for your big question.....The theory I read from a German scientist showed how he could "bend" light. He was using a beam of light and showed how the single beam of light when passed through point A wound up at point B and Point C simultaneously and he could aslo show how this beam passing through point A could wind up at point B at different times. He then went on to explain how time travel was possible.

****Note, I am just throwing documneted theories out there. I am not attesting that I believe in their validity.

Yeah, my planet example was just a failed analogy at explaining what you just said. Time to us exists in the sense it does on Earth because that is what we know. Being off Earth for 2 days could feel like 2 days, but really be 3 hours on Earth. That I understand. The only thing I'm not understanding is how you could physically do that. I think it has something to do with the speed of light in theory, but I'm not sure.

I think you're definitely on the right track, though. I don't know if you watched the "enhanced" version of last week's episode, but when Faraday said "The light here, it doesn't scatter quite right," there was a caption saying that the quote gave a pretty big hint about the unique properties of the island.

[Pared]

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It probably isn't physically possible, its a theory. You have to go with the premise that your body is bound to Earth time, regardless of what happens in another dimension. I guarantee you if you think Lost will be explained by hard scientific facts, you will be crying when all is said and done.

I understand the theory now... common sense just won't let me accept it.

I'm sure they won't use that as reasoning for everything that's happening on the island... at least.. I hope...

To me though, it sounds almost a bit like time travel....

[Chief Illinimac]

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I think Locke will be the one in the Coffin, becuase I think Kate is going back to Ben. I really think he is controlling everyone but Jack, and Jack is going crazy trying to find the island without ben's help.

I don't understand the logic of how Locke being in the coffin is because Kate goes back to Ben.

[moose1619]

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I don't understand the logic of how Locke being in the coffin is because Kate goes back to Ben.

Because Ben is controlling Syaid(spelling), He can be controlling Kate as well. And we know the name started with a J. It could be somebody we haven't been introduced to yet or it could be Locke. How sweet for Ben would it be to get Locke off the islane. Ben and John Hate each other and Ben's would love to see Locke off and back in a wheel Chair.

[fistofrage]

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I understand the theory now... common sense just won't let me accept it.

I'm sure they won't use that as reasoning for everything that's happening on the island... at least.. I hope...

To me though, it sounds almost a bit like time travel....

Believe me, I agree with you, it would be very hard to accept as an explanantion. It isn't really time travel though because Earth is progressing froward in time. However, I think the theory present some whacky twists of what would happen if you went to this other dimesnion and were able to bring physical items back or left for what would amount to years, developed some laser beam and came back 3 hours later.

I'm just going to sit back and watch because this show could go any direction at this point.