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  • bkfount
    All Star
    • Oct 2004
    • 8467

    #226
    Re: Is the truth about to come out???

    Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
    Time to rain on everyone's parade but we have never been visited by aliens nor will we ever be. The likelyhood of any planet sustaining life advanced enough to visit us would be millions and millions(we're talking billions here folks) miles away and would take (best case scenario) thousands of year to do regardless of the Star Trek warp speed it attains. Therefore it would have to travel thru numerous worm holes to shorten the distance and for that type of travel any race that advanced would look at us like imeoba on the evolutionary scale. Thusly if they visited, the planet would have been obliterated because they would have as much capability, and inclination, to communicate with us as we do with ants and thier ship would be so advanced it would probably be the size of New York. I don't think that there is the english(or insert any language you want) language for alien dummies stocked in thier alien librarys not would they care enough to read it. They would have no reason to tip toe around our planet so they don't get caught. I don't think they care about Star Trek's prime directive.

    I'm just getting started, If you factor in just how mind boggling huge our universe is then finding our planet in the vastness of space is like a needle in the haystack because if thier is advanced life somewhere out there then there is a 99.9999999% chance it's pretty far away. Not to mention the tried and true bacteria problem that any alien would be susceptible too and die pretty quickly from it. Let's not get into the gravity problem which would be immensely different from ours and also adversely affect them.

    Last but not least and probably the most compelling argument against the alien landing is society itself. Based on Earth's history no race could possibly live that long to advance that far to be able to visit us. The race would have destroyed it self thru war or depleted all it's resources long before they could develop space travel that advanced. Simply put they would die off, if you find that unlikely then can you honestly state that the human race will still be around in several hundred years the way the world is going with wars, depleting resources and new bacterial diseases popping up every day. Let's not even count that pesky little over population problem that's creeping up. Oh yeah I forgot how many unstable nations will have a nuclear arsenal in the next 50 years, sounds comforting. Even if we survive for awhile it wouldn't be long enough to become advanced enough to travel from galaxy to galaxy on a whim. Alien cultures would evolutionize along the same plane, they would not become tech whizzes overnight, it would take millions of years. There's always been conflict among humans and the aliens would face the same insurmountable obstacles.

    I beleive there is life on other planets, it would be naive not to think so due to the vastness of space and the odds of there being some sort of Earth like planet out there isn't even that far of a stretch but it might as well not exist since they would be so far away they wouldn't know we existed and vice versa. Even if they knew they wouldn't have some sort of Utopian existence to allow them to evolve enough to build all these cool spaceships so they could go on a Sunday drive and check us out.

    It's a romantic notion but like all those fat guys on the show Friends, who all get dates every week with smokin' hot chicks they meet at a coffee shop, it's just not realistic.
    Alien life could be so advanced in ways we can't conceive. You're trying to apply our brief human history to something we know nothing about, which is wrong in my opinion. As for their motives, Earth would be a pretty good petri dish for outside beings to observe. We do it all the time with lower life forms to learn and observe.
    Last edited by bkfount; 11-28-2007, 11:00 AM.

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    • AuburnAlumni
      War Eagle
      • Jul 2002
      • 11939

      #227
      Re: Is the truth about to come out???

      Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
      Time to rain on everyone's parade but we have never been visited by aliens nor will we ever be. The likelyhood of any planet sustaining life advanced enough to visit us would be millions and millions(we're talking billions here folks) miles away and would take (best case scenario) thousands of year to do regardless of the Star Trek warp speed it attains. Therefore it would have to travel thru numerous worm holes to shorten the distance and for that type of travel any race that advanced would look at us like imeoba on the evolutionary scale. Thusly if they visited, the planet would have been obliterated because they would have as much capability, and inclination, to communicate with us as we do with ants and thier ship would be so advanced it would probably be the size of New York. I don't think that there is the english(or insert any language you want) language for alien dummies stocked in thier alien librarys not would they care enough to read it. They would have no reason to tip toe around our planet so they don't get caught. I don't think they care about Star Trek's prime directive.

      I'm just getting started, If you factor in just how mind boggling huge our universe is then finding our planet in the vastness of space is like a needle in the haystack because if thier is advanced life somewhere out there then there is a 99.9999999% chance it's pretty far away. Not to mention the tried and true bacteria problem that any alien would be susceptible too and die pretty quickly from it. Let's not get into the gravity problem which would be immensely different from ours and also adversely affect them.

      Last but not least and probably the most compelling argument against the alien landing is society itself. Based on Earth's history no race could possibly live that long to advance that far to be able to visit us. The race would have destroyed it self thru war or depleted all it's resources long before they could develop space travel that advanced. Simply put they would die off, if you find that unlikely then can you honestly state that the human race will still be around in several hundred years the way the world is going with wars, depleting resources and new bacterial diseases popping up every day. Let's not even count that pesky little over population problem that's creeping up. Oh yeah I forgot how many unstable nations will have a nuclear arsenal in the next 50 years, sounds comforting. Even if we survive for awhile it wouldn't be long enough to become advanced enough to travel from galaxy to galaxy on a whim. Alien cultures would evolutionize along the same plane, they would not become tech whizzes overnight, it would take millions of years. There's always been conflict among humans and the aliens would face the same insurmountable obstacles.

      I beleive there is life on other planets, it would be naive not to think so due to the vastness of space and the odds of there being some sort of Earth like planet out there isn't even that far of a stretch but it might as well not exist since they would be so far away they wouldn't know we existed and vice versa. Even if they knew they wouldn't have some sort of Utopian existence to allow them to evolve enough to build all these cool spaceships so they could go on a Sunday drive and check us out.

      It's a romantic notion but like all those fat guys on the show Friends, who all get dates every week with smokin' hot chicks they meet at a coffee shop, it's just not realistic.



      Sure buddy.

      Just like your great great great great great great great great great great grandfather saying...

      "Look...you morons who think the Earth is round are not thinking rationally. It's physically impossible as we would all be rolling around and falling all over each other. The planet is flat as a pancake. Now pass me another plate of mutton and hand me my cup of ale!"

      Oh the ignorance of humanity is awe inspiring.
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      • Scottdau
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 32580

        #228
        Re: Is the truth about to come out???

        Originally posted by AuburnAlumni


        Sure buddy.

        Just like your great great great great great great great great great great grandfather saying...

        "Look...you morons who think the Earth is round are not thinking rationally. It's physically impossible as we would all be rolling around and falling all over each other. The planet is flat as a pancake. Now pass me another plate of mutton and hand me my cup of ale!"

        Oh the ignorance of humanity is awe inspiring.
        NOw this is funny.

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        • NovaStar
          Banned
          • Aug 2002
          • 3561

          #229
          Re: Is the truth about to come out???

          Well, Scientologists believe that we (humans) are the original aliens that came here thousands of years ago. Some others believe that there are other beings inside the earth itself and that what you see are those other beings occasionally surfacing.

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          • bkfount
            All Star
            • Oct 2004
            • 8467

            #230
            Re: Is the truth about to come out???

            Originally posted by NovaStar
            Well, Scientologists believe that we (humans) are the original aliens that came here thousands of years ago. Some others believe that there are other beings inside the earth itself and that what you see are those other beings occasionally surfacing.
            and some people think Bush is an alien human hybrid.

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            • daflyboys
              Banned
              • May 2003
              • 18238

              #231
              Re: Is the truth about to come out???

              Originally posted by AuburnAlumni


              Sure buddy.

              Just like your great great great great great great great great great great grandfather saying...

              "Look...you morons who think the Earth is round are not thinking rationally. It's physically impossible as we would all be rolling around and falling all over each other. The planet is flat as a pancake. Now pass me another plate of mutton and hand me my cup of ale!"

              Oh the ignorance of humanity is awe inspiring.
              I still don't get this whole "the-earth-was-thought-to-be-flat-then-turned-out-we-were-wrong-and-it's-really-round-so-this-proves-there-is-life-on-other-planets" argument.

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              • NovaStar
                Banned
                • Aug 2002
                • 3561

                #232
                Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                Originally posted by bkfount
                and some people think Bush is an alien human hybrid.
                Not only Bush but the Queen of England as well and all the other "Blue Bloods". Let's not forget Jim Morrison (lead singer of the Doors) spoke of being the lizard king. I even heard that Tony Romo was a human/lizard hybrid, he was created in a test tube by Jerry Jones (who is also a lizard hybrid) many years ago. He was trained and monitored through out his college career and then when the time was right he was brought to the cowboys to help them win a SB, this is why is escapability in the pocket is so high. For all wanting proof, there you have it.

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                • Chief Illinimac
                  Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 2365

                  #233
                  Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                  Originally posted by daflyboys
                  I still don't get this whole "the-earth-was-thought-to-be-flat-then-turned-out-we-were-wrong-and-it's-really-round-so-this-proves-there-is-life-on-other-planets" argument.
                  You're just ignorant.
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                  • Double Eights
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5733

                    #234
                    Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                    Originally posted by daflyboys
                    I still don't get this whole "the-earth-was-thought-to-be-flat-then-turned-out-we-were-wrong-and-it's-really-round-so-this-proves-there-is-life-on-other-planets" argument.
                    It doesn't prove that life on other planets exist. It proves that there have been wrong answers in the past.

                    It was once thought that the Earth was flat. It has proven to be round.
                    It was once thought that the Earth was the center of the Universe. It isn't.
                    It was once thought that smoking didn't cause cancer. It does.

                    It was once thought that aliens never visted Earth............

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                    • Karlos05
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5814

                      #235
                      Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                      Originally posted by Double Eights
                      It doesn't prove that life on other planets exist. It proves that there have been wrong answers in the past.

                      It was once thought that the Earth was flat. It has proven to be round.
                      It was once thought that the Earth was the center of the Universe. It isn't.
                      It was once thought that smoking didn't cause cancer. It does.

                      It was once thought that aliens never visted Earth............
                      It was once thought that the whole world was moving through an invisible field of ether and that was what propagated light particles. It isn't

                      It was once thought with alchemy if you had a Philosophers Stone and tried really, really, really hard you could turn a base metal into gold. Well... not so much.


                      Answers in the past have been wrong, and stayed way wrong. What's your point?

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                      • Seymour Scagnetti
                        Banned
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 2489

                        #236
                        Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                        Well if you want to go the fantasy route with past historical inaccuracies to prove that aliens exist then about Noah's Ark. People to this day still beleive in it while conveniantly ignoring the logistical nightmare of obtaining every single species on the face of the earth and putting them in a ship the size of the Love Boat. Let's not get into the sins that occurred where Noah's family had to commit incest to repopulate the planet. Or about Moses parting the Red Sea. Seems ridiculousness nowadays but was taken as gospel not so long ago. The problem was these stories were perpetuated while ignoring basic laws of physics and common sense much like the alien supporters. Sounds kinda familiar doesn't it?

                        If aliens ever visited that would indicate a level of advancement so beyond our means they would not allow any farmer from Bubblegum, Missouri to see them in the sky nor would thay have to visit more than once because they would just plant a satellite here (invisible of course) and observe us from Delta Omega 5 or whatever the hell they call thier home planet and save on the huge fuel prices they must have on thier planet to gas up thier rig to come here. If they could enter our atmosphere without being detected wouldn't they have some sort of cloaking device (re:Star Trek) to make thier ship invisible to the human eye as they go for a cruise. If they are detected coming in weekly then wouldn't just one of those thousands of workers world wide who monitor our atmosphere press print on thier computer and go to the highest bidder with these exclusive pictures of the Death Star. Sounds silly huh. Well about as silly as Noah's Ark. Or about they come here and the 1st thing they want to do is tell the White House (it's always the Americans they contact according to Independence Day and Mars Attacks) and George Bush to keep this on the hush hush. Have they ever heard Bush in a speech and they're gonna trust him with the biggest secret of humankind. God forbid when George finishes his term and decides to go on a bender with a few good ole boys. Those poor shmucky aliens are so busted.

                        I'm still waiting for arguments that actually use common sense and the basic laws of Physics as a rebuttal. Using Christopher Columbas metaphors ain't gonna do it.
                        Last edited by Seymour Scagnetti; 11-28-2007, 05:35 PM.

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                        • Chief Illinimac
                          Gimme the Oscar, Friendo.
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 2365

                          #237
                          Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                          Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                          Well if you want to go the fantasy route with past historical inaccuracies to prove that aliens exist then about Noah's Ark. People to this day still beleive in it while conveniantly ignoring the logistical nightmare of obtaining every single species on the face of the earth and putting them in a ship the size of the Love Boat. Let's not get into the sins that occurred where Noah's family had to commit incest to repopulate the planet. Or about Moses parting the Red Sea. Seems ridiculousness nowadays but was taken as gospel not so long ago. The problem was these stories were perpetuated while ignoring basic laws of physics and common sense much like the alien supporters. Sounds kinda familiar doesn't it?

                          If aliens ever visited that would indicate a level of advancement so beyond our means they would not allow any farmer from Bubblegum, Missouri to see them in the sky nor would thay have to visit more than once because they would just plant a satellite here (invisible of course) and observe us from Delta Omega 5 or whatever the hell they call thier home planet and save on the huge fuel prices they must have on thier planet to gas up thier rig to come here. If they could enter our atmosphere without being detected wouldn't they have some sort of cloaking device (re:Star Trek) to make thier ship invisible to the human eye as they go for a cruise. Sounds silly huh. Well about as silly as Noah's Ark. Or about they come here and the 1st thing they want to do is tell the White House (it's always the Americans they contact according to Independence Day and Mars Attacks) and George Bush to keep this on the hush hush. Have they ever heard Bush in a speech and they're gonna trust him with the biggest secret of humankind. God forbid when George finishes his term and decides to go on a bender with a few good ole boys. Those poor shmucky aliens are so busted.

                          I'm still waiting for arguments that actually use common sense and the basic laws of Physics as a rebuttal. Using Christopher Columbas metaphors ain't gonna do it.
                          While I'm on your side in principle, that Noah's Ark analogy sucks. I don't know a single person that believes it really happened, and I went to Catholic school for a long time. Most people take those stories as examples of how to live a good life, not as historical fact.
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                          • jmood88
                            Sean Payton: Retribution
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 34639

                            #238
                            Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                            Originally posted by NovaStar
                            Well, Scientologists believe that we (humans) are the original aliens that came here thousands of years ago. Some others believe that there are other beings inside the earth itself and that what you see are those other beings occasionally surfacing.
                            Scientology is bull**** however. They just want to brainwash as many celebrities as they can to get money.
                            Originally posted by Blzer
                            Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                            If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                            • jmood88
                              Sean Payton: Retribution
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 34639

                              #239
                              Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                              Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti

                              If aliens ever visited that would indicate a level of advancement so beyond our means they would not allow any farmer from Bubblegum, Missouri to see them in the sky nor would thay have to visit more than once because they would just plant a satellite here (invisible of course) and observe us from Delta Omega 5 or whatever the hell they call thier home planet and save on the huge fuel prices they must have on thier planet to gas up thier rig to come here. If they could enter our atmosphere without being detected wouldn't they have some sort of cloaking device (re:Star Trek) to make thier ship invisible to the human eye as they go for a cruise. If they are detected coming in weekly then wouldn't just one of those thousands of workers world wide who monitor our atmosphere press print on thier computer and go to the highest bidder with these exclusive pictures of the Death Star. Sounds silly huh. Well about as silly as Noah's Ark. Or about they come here and the 1st thing they want to do is tell the White House (it's always the Americans they contact according to Independence Day and Mars Attacks) and George Bush to keep this on the hush hush. Have they ever heard Bush in a speech and they're gonna trust him with the biggest secret of humankind. God forbid when George finishes his term and decides to go on a bender with a few good ole boys. Those poor shmucky aliens are so busted.
                              Why would they care who sees them? If they really looked at us as an inferior species then it would make no difference to them if people saw them or not. As someone else said, we study "inferior" species all the time do we hide behind things to make sure they don't see us?
                              Originally posted by Blzer
                              Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                              If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                              • Seymour Scagnetti
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 2489

                                #240
                                Re: Is the truth about to come out???

                                Originally posted by ChiefIllinimac
                                While I'm on your side in principle, that Noah's Ark analogy sucks. I don't know a single person that believes it really happened, and I went to Catholic school for a long time. Most people take those stories as examples of how to live a good life, not as historical fact.
                                Maybe this century it's not beleived but it was taken as the truth in the last few centuries before science made it obvious that it was a fairy tale and before that the Greek Gods were also beleived as being real by the ancient Greeks. The point being is that Noah's Ark and the Greek gods is the same kind of argument as alien visits. Absolutely no basis in fact or evidence and completely ignoring basic laws of physics because it will get in the way of a cool story.

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